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Wall width doesn't really work either but is an alternative I guess and better than the current method..... as with the other person who asked me recently , normally you just want to know the distance in from the gable wall the pitch change starts at the ridge Level , eg in their case they were try to get chief to start the pitch down 11ft from the gable wall. It's also one of the easier ways to do it Onsite , measure in from gable wall, ( baseline) lop off the ridge you previously ran long, and offer up the precut Common Rafter ( you made using known pitch + run ) . All assuming the Truss company hasn't already done it differently Not at all it isn't an Upper Pitch, as Noted above, no matter if Chief wants to call it that to make there Code and DBX work. Oh I am all for that , and I am sure with your level of Skill n Chief you can make Chief's way work to get that cut point exactly at 11ft from the Gable Wall , but it's obvious that everyday Users can't ,ESPECIALLY when then have no clue how Chief is really calculating the Pitch Change Point. Enough from me , I just needed to play with it for my own learning but still see no easier way to do what is normally wanted..... M.

It's Never the Architect's Fault , most of you put that right on every single page off the Plan Set ..... just joking , I didn't mean it quite like you took it I think, I've just seen a lot of PDF Plan-sets lately that are very poorly dimensioned, apparently AutoCAD mustn't have an Auto Exterior Dimension Tool bad .

Okay, I just could let this go yet as it's annoyingly WRONG, ..... how Chief is doing this..... at least from the point of view of This Builder/Master Carpenter and perhaps I am once again " missing something " with my conclusions....... but.... and not picking on anyone but to illustrate some points made....... and from some observations from a basic 40'x30' Gabled Box home with a 10/12 pitch.... A Gable Wall in Chief doesn't have a Baseline (BL) , no, so why is Chief Using it as a basis for the so called Upper Pitch? a Roof Plane always has a BL, both in Chief and the Real World (RW) but it's NOT an Upper Pitch ..... it is a Hip Roof Plane, building off a different Wall Plate Height (the Seat Cut of the Birdsmouth Height.) this is the Height Chief should be using to calculate the "Cut" point IMHO. The fact it is not an Upper Pitch is shown in Chief's own DBX's ie the Roof Rafter Pitch is 0/12 , even though it displays at the "given pitch" on Cross Section ( 6/12 below ), a Cross Section through the Main Roof Plane and 1/2 hip confirms this... ie it shows the Half Hip roof plane is parallel to the ground or 0° (or 180°). . Chief CHEATS and calls it an Upper Pitch , when it isn't really, personally I have never seen it calculate the way they do it, and from Framing it in my Test Plan, it is not cutting Birdsmouths (BM) on the 1/2 Hip Rafters thus they are ALL too high (I assume) or the Wall is Framing at the wrong Height?. The Rafters weren't "Trimming to Soffit" either at 1st, until I lowered them down (the measured ( 2 3/4") BM Depth), then something "clicked" in the "auto roof framing tool" and they were okay. It's not a Consistent use of the Term, the Setting doesn't even work the same way as it does, for example on Gambrel or Mansard or Gullwing Roofs. I think someone just found a way to use "Existing Code" ( and DBX) to Fudge it, and not to document this total change in behavior ( ie consistency of the term "in from baseline" ) somewhere is just wrong and unhelpful for all Users trying to figure this out. Levis' pic (above) or similar and a short explanation in the Ref. Manual on how Chief "does it" would of sufficed for one and all. And back on Topic ( ...sorry Dave), his way in the last few minutes of the Video, may actually be easier if your Architect was kind enough to give you the Fascia Height. // Rant Off //...... and yes I do feel better M.

Sorry I didn't mean to infer that was the correct place for the "Default" for Angular Dims. I had just assumed it was previously ( incorrectly) as I use it as Michael demonstrated when doing Plot Plan CAD Lines etc to set the Desired Output. Like Michael I hardly ever use angular dims , so your discovery was new to me.... M.

In X11 when you sent to layout it was linked to a saved plan view --- unless you selected NONE before sending I believe you may not have this Toolbar on if you migrated forward.... ( customise and add if needed) In X12 it is optional and in the DBX when you 1st send it ie check it or not to use SPV's. If you select the Layout Box there will be an Icon to the right of the Red/Black Chain link Icon for de-Linking or creating SPVs on the Edit Toolbar.

I assumed till I just read this Thread that it used the General CAD Default setting , but after running a few tests as mentioned it appears not too after all ,.

this Video ( thanks Charles) was made yesterday during a Workshop held by Forum Members , it starts with Reference Sets , but you may like to watch it all however.... https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/25780-workshop-this-friday-at-300-pm-pst/?do=findComment&comment=207435

Not sure to be honest, though it's not just in CDN, but I did assume the US had something similar. (nope...below)

You may want to look into a Degree for "Architectural Technologist" instead , not sure about WA but many places also allow them to "Stamp Plans". M.

A short video https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/5435/using-the-reference-display.html

I think Chief's cabinets use an automated, hard coded 1/16th Gap , so you'd likely want to do some testing to see if it reports sizes as you want/expect. Mark will likely have more Info for you as the resident Chief Cabinet Guru, he has many informative posts here on the Forum. @MarkMc

Thanks Charles . appreciate you recording and posting that link. FYI for others ...it is about a 2GB download. Mick..

just realized it is GTM , so with the Email Scott sends you, call in with your Phone and use it for Audio not the computer Audio and you should be okay..... might want to install and start GTM early so you don't miss anything if you don't already use it. I unfortunately have a meeting at the same time , so hopefully someone can record and upload ....please..... M.

Please Submit this Pic for Addition to the Ref. Manual Levis , I need to send it to the Person who asked me about it last week Mick.

Weird cos there is a Baseline for that Plane out at the Fascia , which I assumed was the one it was using for the measurement. I wasn't sure why 3 different versions all calculated it differently though , but your explanation would solve that I think, as I didn't use the same house (width X length) in each version, I just drew a random box.

Phone headphones work, I use my over-ear Sony's on my PC, but you may need an adaptor to work on a PC port depending on whether you have separate ports for headphones and mic or a combo like some laptops have and whether you use an android phone or an iphone as iphone's use a different wiring scheme. M.

Only it doesn't work as expected as I recently discovered ..., the in from baseline appears to mean nothing on a 1/2 hip , it appears to measure from the inside of the wall not from the Baseline in X10 ( which on a 1/2 hip appears to be the Fascia Line in Chief ) and in X12 it is even worse. ( I await to be corrected ) M. X12 X10 and X11 for comparison.

If you have overlapping Elevation Data they can definitely mess with each other eg an elevation (contour) line running under the elevation region. M.

In situations like this that is what I normally do too ie place a 6" - 12" wide T.Region across the front of the garage and the rest of the Terrain will slope up to it automatically, haven't tried it in X12 , but are you saying it doesn't work like it used too ? Will give it a try when I have some more time..... *** Edited - I see we posted at the same time.....it does work. M

Maybe the lights setting ? ....How many default lights do you have on in the WC Camera ...8. 20 , or 100? 8 and 20 likely aren't enough ......

Michael meant lower the garage "Room" by 6" ... by using the absolute Elevation Floor setting at - 6" on the structure Tab ( or -6" lower than it is now if not at 0")

I agree , especially if they are room dividers , it may not be the best solution , but for dropping one room's ceiling it works well. M.

I did assume it was one Room only on the floor, ie the bathroom under the stairs....... not a Room within a Room such as Chopsaw demonstrated. Mick.

see if this works for you too .... https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/25753-creating-different-ceiling-heights/?do=findComment&comment=206779 Mick

Thanks for letting us know it worked out well Sherry ..... Mick.