YellowfinDesign Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Problem: CA, since way back, would always show the ceiling framing as well as the floor framing in a cross section elevation of one of my kitchen plans. I upgraded to X5 from V10 in January. ......X5 wont show the ceiling framing anymore. I have attached two cross sections of the same plan. The 1st one is from Ver. 10 and was printed and sent to my client in December of 2013. The 2nd one is from April of 2014 and is X5. As you can see, there is floor framing (12") and ceiling framing (5 1/2") in the Ver. 10 elevation from 2013 There is no ceiling framing in the April 2014 from CA X5 Can some please give me a hand. I have tried just about everything I know, without going to tech support as of yet. Thank You in Advance for your help! Mike 2014-04-26 Newman Kit Elev v X5.pdf 2014-04-26 Newman Kit Elev V10.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenoeightspot Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Best to post the PLAN not a PDF. Have you built the roof and turned on floor and ceiling framing?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Check your framing layer settings while in Elevation view. Or, post your plan. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I don't see any framing in either of those pdf's. Chief is all about layers, you can show anything in any view you want just by turning them on and off. Check your layers for those things and you have to frame it to show it. Turn on auto framing floors-ceilings / walls / roofs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Are you using the cross section tool or the wall elevation tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Best to post the PLAN not a PDF. Have you built the roof and turned on floor and ceiling framing?. I will send a plan next time. Thanks. I have not built a roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Check your framing layer settings while in Elevation view. Or, post your plan. jon I checked them, then tried turning on and off different framing layers. It did not work or I am still missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't see any framing in either of those pdf's. Chief is all about layers, you can show anything in any view you want just by turning them on and off. Check your layers for those things and you have to frame it to show it. Turn on auto framing floors-ceilings / walls / roofs. Ok. Fair enough. There is no “framing” shown. Specifically, if you compare both cross sections, you should see at the bottom of each drawing a black outline which would appear to be the floor framing… Should be the same for the ceiling. But it is missing on the one drawing. I want it to be there. And that is what I am trying to figure out. I will try your suggestions. Thank you for your help!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Are you using the cross section tool or the wall elevation tool? Cross section.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug_Park Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The images you posted look like wall elevations not cross sections. There is a big difference in that wall elevations are not supposed to show the side walls. I know that at one point in time we fixed bugs with the wall elevations to fix cases where the walls were shown when they shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 The images you posted look like wall elevations not cross sections. There is a big difference in that wall elevations are not supposed to show the side walls. I know that at one point in time we fixed bugs with the wall elevations to fix cases where the walls were shown when they shouldn't be. To be clear. I use "Back-clipped Wall Sections" and "Cross Section/Elevation" to create my elevations for my cabinetry plans. Both appear to do the same thing as far as what they show. I have attached a new file from X6. (which I upgraded to over the weekend) Please drag a Cross Section/Elevation or a Back-clipped Wall Section. They look exactly alike. But... unlike the PDF drawings I attached earlier, there is no floor or ceiling framing shown. If I am not using the correct nomenclature, I apologize. Just compare the PDF's to the to the new plan. See the difference? I want my elevation s to look like they used to. Very Frustrated!! 2014-04-29 36WALL 96CLG.plan thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 HERE IT IS ,I JUST TURNED ON THE LAYERS YOU NEEDED AND ADDED THE FRAMING If you want a floor , you need to build one 2014-04-29 36WALL 96CLG.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Mike, There is no such camera as a "Back Clipped Wall Section" camera. The Wall Elevation camera does not show the side walls, ceiling or floor framing. The Back Clipped Cross Section camera and the Cross Section/Elevation cameras show the side walls, ceiling and wall framing - assuming that the framing has been built and the layers displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 HERE IT IS ,I JUST TURNED ON THE LAYERS YOU NEEDED AND ADDED THE FRAMING If you want a floor , you need to build one Not really sure why you are yelling at me in all caps. The plan you modified looks nothing like what I am trying to achieve. I apologize if I have not explained correctly on this forum what it is I wish to do. Thank you for your help though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Mike, There is no such camera as a "Back Clipped Wall Section" camera. The Wall Elevation camera does not show the side walls, ceiling or floor framing. The Back Clipped Cross Section camera and the Cross Section/Elevation cameras show the side walls, ceiling and wall framing - assuming that the framing has been built and the layers displayed. Glenn, I meant to type Back-Clipped "Cross" Section not "Wall" section. I know the "Wall Elevation" camera does not show side walls, ceiling and floor framing. The Back Clipped Cross Section or the Cross Section/Elevation cameras are what I use. I just cant seem to figure out how. If someone could open the attached file2014-04-29 36WALL 96CLG.plan and explain how to make it look like the PDF I attached 2014-04-26 Newman Kit Elev V10.pdf at the beginning this thread, I would very much appreciate it. Once again, thank you for your help. I am just not getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 V10 seems so long ago. It may have shown floor structure and ceiling structure in simple diaphragm format, when doing a section. Lines of the outer envelope. We got to add more detail to structure as releases came out, thus your issue. We now don't get the diaphragm bounds, instead, we get all the details of frame and finish. So why not just settle for some CAD boxes and call it a wrap, if you want that old look? I am kind of surprised a cabinet specialist like you would not want the wall elevation instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 V10 seems so long ago. It may have shown floor structure and ceiling structure in simple diaphragm format, when doing a section. Lines of the outer envelope. We got to add more detail to structure as releases came out, thus your issue. We now don't get the diaphragm bounds, instead, we get all the details of frame and finish. So why not just settle for some CAD boxes and call it a wrap, if you want that old look? I am kind of surprised a cabinet specialist like you would not want the wall elevation instead. Gene, Thanks for your post. 1st thing that has made any sense so far. I provide a service that offers more than just cabinetry design, so I need to learn this upgraded version. Thank you again for your explanation. I will now look for help in other locations. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Not really sure why you are yelling at me in all caps. The plan you modified looks nothing like what I am trying to achieve. I apologize if I have not explained correctly on this forum what it is I wish to do. Thank you for your help though. Not yelling at you, just to lazy ,and forget to change the all caps sometimes I think I misunderstood you with your title, "What happened to my ceiling framing--". thought you wanted framing, I think what you want is the void where framing would go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Not yelling at you, just to lazy ,and forget to change the all caps sometimes My dry sense of humor as well to blame. I should have put "LOL" after I wrote "why are you yelling at me..." Hey, but I gave you a reputation point! Ha Ha! MIke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'll take those rep points anytime, thanks. I think your answer is, they changed it and you'll have to draw lines for the voids. I thought taking away the framing would leave the void , but it doesn't. For me I like to see the framing, but that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 I'll take those rep points anytime, thanks. I think your answer is, they changed it and you'll have to draw lines for the voids. I thought taking away the framing would leave the void , but it doesn't. For me I like to see the framing, but that's me. Yup. Title should have been "What happened to my Ceiling Framing in my Elevations" I am all thumbs sometimes.. could not change it after the post. Yes, this seems to be the case. I have attached an X5 simple drawing 2014-04-30 differen wall types.plan. Please drag a Back-clipped Cross Section camera. They all have floor framing, or, void as you put it, but no ceiling framing (void) I used different wall types just for ships and giggles. X6 is the same way. I just cant seem to get it to show my ceiling framing (void) This being the true Topic of this thread. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilgoreTrout Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think you will get any kind of ceiling structure until you build either a roof or floor above. Then it will show up in your cross section views. You might be able to get the look you want by building the roof and then turning it off in the cross section. Or, if all else fails, just draw it in using the cad tools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution YellowfinDesign Posted April 30, 2014 Author Solution Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) I don't think you will get any kind of ceiling structure until you build either a roof or floor above. Then it will show up in your cross section views. You might be able to get the look you want by building the roof and then turning it off in the cross section. Or, if all else fails, just draw it in using the cad tools. Yes, this seems to be the case. Thank You for your input. I am marking this as solved or answered so nobody need reply anymore. This will just go down as an unsolved mystery I guess. Thanks for all who tried to help! Mike Edited April 30, 2014 by YellowfinDesign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Not so fast! To get the ceiling framing to display in the Cross Sections, you have to build the ceiling framing. Build... framing...Build Framing...1st panel...Ceiling Above Floor 1...Build Ceiling Framing. The ceiling framing will now display in your cross sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Not so fast! To get the ceiling framing to display in the Cross Sections, you have to build the ceiling framing. Build... framing...Build Framing...1st panel...Ceiling Above Floor 1...Build Ceiling Framing. The ceiling framing will now display in your cross sections. Glen, I think he just wants the void to show and no framing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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