yusuf-333 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you everyone for your feedback. I have downloaded the trial version of Chief and am trying to learn to draw exterior walls. Extremely frustrating. I am following the scenario given in the Users Guide, and it seems that I do what they tell me to do, but it doesn't work the way they say it should. I have always been a good student and good at following directions, so I suspect that this is a case of badly written directions. If this is true, it would be very disappointing for such an expensive, highly touted, program. Any comments? Too early to critisize! I think this guy failed to imitate an honest frustrated newbee. But no matter what things you are hiding to show us. A good student comes up with some really nice critique after some hard work. I have a doubt what type of student this guy was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashid_Garuba Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Too early to critisize! I think this guy failed to imitate an honest frustrated newbee. But no matter what things you are hiding to show us. A good student comes up with some really nice critique after some hard work. I have a doubt what type of student this guy was. Troll anyone?... This why some boards are aggressively moderated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Troll anyone?... This why some boards are aggressively moderated. I was wondering the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 This is the "Troll" speaking, A.K.A. the "honest frustrated newbie": I don't know what a troll is, but it doesn't sound good. Whatever it is, I am not one. My name is Scott Simril and I live in Pacific Palisades, CA. This is my website: www.simril.net. I have been a successful contractor for 35 years, so I can't be too stupid. "Honest frustrated newbie" sounds like a good description. I will figure out the wall thing. The first time, I drew them, it worked pretty well, except that I had to make numerous corrections to the length of the walls in my project. Despite going clockwise and correcting each wall length in turn, Chief seemed to keep giving me the wrong lengths for some of the walls. I'm sure it was something simple that I was doing wrong. The second time I did it, I followed the instructions in the Users Guide to a "T", or at least I thought I did. I had several problems: Some of the walls I drew were "zig zagged", and I couldn't get them to be straight. I also couldn't get Chief to draw a short wall. Maybe there is a Troll in the program I am using. Oh well. I will figure it out. Thank you all for your help. And can someone explain what a Troll is? Just so I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raltd9245 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Drawing the walls is the first task we all learn. It is extremely easy. If you are having a difficult time drawing the walls, I suggest you find another program. Drawing the walls is the first task we all learn. It is extremely easy. If you are having a difficult time drawing the walls, I suggest you find another program. A little harsh even for a Troll. You are the Choir master for Chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hey Scott, glad you got it worked out. I think the nature of your question, drawing simple exterior walls, lead us to think you weren't really trying and just 'trolling' the forum for a response but not really interested in one. Since you've now formally introduced your self please feel free to ask questions about any aspect of Chief. You will find some amazing help here on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo: sorry for Scott's reply, he likes to chastise ... if your walls are zig-sagging then you probably have "angle snaps" off what type of "short wall" are you trying to create posting your plan will get better replies as to your issues Chief is probably best for doing residential/light commercial plans Sketchup has many benefits and makes a nice companion to Chief I have Sketchup for sale for $350 (lastest update cost $95) includes many training books etc I am retired and no longer need SU, but still use Chief for personal projects A troll is someone who joins a forum to tout their software or to cause trouble welcome to Chieftalk Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hey Scott, glad you got it worked out. I think the nature of your question, drawing simple exterior walls, lead us to think you weren't really trying and just 'trolling' the forum for a response but not really interested in one. Since you've now formally introduced your self please feel free to ask questions about any aspect of Chief. You will find some amazing help here on the forums. Thank you, Humble Chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you, Humble Chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo: sorry for Scott's reply, he likes to chastise ... if your walls are zig-sagging then you probably have "angle snaps" off what type of "short wall" are you trying to create posting your plan will get better replies as to your issues Chief is probably best for doing residential/light commercial plans Sketchup has many benefits and makes a nice companion to Chief I have Sketchup for sale for $350 (lastest update cost $95) includes many training books etc I am retired and no longer need SU, but still use Chief for personal projects A troll is someone who joins a forum to tout their software or to cause trouble welcome to Chieftalk Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you, Lew. The "angle snap" suggestion worked like a charm. How do you post your drawing? Lockport??? I grew up in Clarence!! Small world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 You can't save, and hence can't post, a plan from the trial version. You might be able to grab a screen shot to explain your problem, but the plan file is always best so the forumites can see what you're doing wrong/right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo: yep, small world - where are you now ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 You can't save, and hence can't post, a plan from the trial version. You might be able to grab a screen shot to explain your problem, but the plan file is always best so the forumites can see what you're doing wrong/right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think that I can buy Chief with a 30 day return policy if I am not satisfied. That seems like it's the same as the trial program, except I'll be able to save and post. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo: yep, small world - where are you now ??? Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Pacific Palisades, CA, near L.A. But don't worry! I'm not as crazy as all those other Californians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl_C_Crane Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I will figure out the wall thing. The first time, I drew them, it worked pretty well, except that I had to make numerous corrections to the length of the walls in my project. Despite going clockwise and correcting each wall length in turn, Chief seemed to keep giving me the wrong lengths for some of the walls. Scottisimo, it's hard to imagine Chief Architect making errors in dimensions, except maybe it's possible if we try too hard, or the dimension defaults are not set as you want them. I start by making a crude outline of the exterior perimeter with Exterior Walls. Then, I do an Auto-Dimension Exterior. Here's where I get serious about getting the perimeter correct by using the dimensions placed by the Auto Dim tool. In my rarely humble opinion, Chief is a very ROBUST design, con-doc tool. My opinion is skewed because I have been with CA since ver. 1. I have learned (and at times, unlearned) in small doses with each new rev. My business emphasis has shifted through the years, and I have found that Chief has had functions to migrate with me. I can imagine that it's daunting to come into ver X7 and start from scratch. I hope that you'll keep watching the on-line training videos and learn to trust the program. We all want you to succeed and be able to lend us a hand when needed, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Troll anyone?... This why some boards are aggressively moderated. I was wondering the same thing.I was wondering if some one was trolling us, so that the strongly prohipted act of rudeness gets approval to continue..........this is totally a different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think that I can buy Chief with a 30 day return policy if I am not satisfied. That seems like it's the same as the trial program, except I'll be able to save and post. What do you think? If you're serious about learning Chief then why not? This forum will get you up to speed pretty quickly but be prepared for a fairly interesting ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo, it's hard to imagine Chief Architect making errors in dimensions, except maybe it's possible if we try too hard, or the dimension defaults are not set as you want them. I start by making a crude outline of the exterior perimeter with Exterior Walls. Then, I do an Auto-Dimension Exterior. Here's where I get serious about getting the perimeter correct by using the dimensions placed by the Auto Dim tool. In my rarely humble opinion, Chief is a very ROBUST design, con-doc tool. My opinion is skewed because I have been with CA since ver. 1. I have learned (and at times, unlearned) in small doses with each new rev. My business emphasis has shifted through the years, and I have found that Chief has had functions to migrate with me. I can imagine that it's daunting to come into ver X7 and start from scratch. I hope that you'll keep watching the on-line training videos and learn to trust the program. We all want you to succeed and be able to lend us a hand when needed, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you, Cheryl. What is "con-doc"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl_C_Crane Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Construction documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo, I think I was correct in assuming you are used to CAD tpe of entering lengths. In CHief you can start drawing a wall and then hit the tab key and then enter a dimension OR I think most of us rought out the shape and then click an auto-dimension or other dimension and enter the "wanted" dimension. IT is a different way of doing things but works well once you get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottisimo Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Scottisimo, I think I was correct in assuming you are used to CAD tpe of entering lengths. In CHief you can start drawing a wall and then hit the tab key and then enter a dimension OR I think most of us rought out the shape and then click an auto-dimension or other dimension and enter the "wanted" dimension. IT is a different way of doing things but works well once you get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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