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Hi everyone, I hope you had a good July4th.

 

Is there anything in the software to automatically install leaders on the house? Or even doing them manually is there anything in the library for that? I don't believe I've seen anything to create them or anyone using them.... what you guys do if anyone does them to show up in rendering view.

 

Thanks!

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Don't get me started on this issue again. I think

this is one of the most neglected aspects of the

software. Efficiently removing water from the

roof planes and away from the structure should

be of primary importance to any good design

and the placement of these features also play

a significant role in the aesthetics of the building

façade.

 

I have always wondered why this area is almost

completely ignored. I haven't checked recently 

but when I was looking into this a couple of years

ago I couldn't find a single example on the CA

website that featured downspouts in the renderings.

 

Now that I have gotten that off of my chest, the

answer is that no, there are no automatic features

and there is darned little available other than in the

the library Mick listed. I think (Glenn?) may have  

posted an example also. You can cobble the parts

together manually but the process is laborious.

Here is an example I did back in my HD days using  

the library items Mick referenced.

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Thanks Guys! I thought so I wasn't missing this feature someplace. I agree with you Rich that is important feature to have it displayed and I'm sure the manual process is a pain in the a$$, hopefully this can be added in the future, and make it work something like you add corners to the house, it will attach the leaders to the corners where needed with a click.

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Nice , Thanks Glenn , seems to work well , you should put it over in the Symbols forum too so it doesn't get lost here......

 

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Here is a stretchable downpipe that may be of use. 

 

That's the one I was talking about. I thought I had

saved it but my User Catalog is such a hopeless

mess I couldn't locate it. I saved it again and now  

I have 2 identical symbols called Gutter Downspout

so I guess I found the original one. I couldn't use

it at the time because I needed the rectangular

cross section and I couldn't figure out how to put 

a 90° bend in the bottom.

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It would be nice if Chief would augment their

3D modeling capabilities to include drawing

3D lines and being able to extrude shapes

along those paths. In SolidWorks for example

you simply draw a 3D line along the path you

want. Then you create a sketch plane at the

end of the 3D line perpendicular to the line.

In this sketch plane you can create whatever

cross section that you want the feature to have.

Once you have your sketch you extrude it over

the length of your 3D line and voila, you have

your 3D feature.

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Rich,

That can be done easily with a 3D Molding Polyline.

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Rich,

That can be done easily with a 3D Molding Polyline.

 

Define easily.  ;)  Maybe I should have been more 

"pacific". I was talking in the context of downpipes.

Can we make them hollow? I haven't figured out a

way to. I can create the 3D molding polyline and

assign a molding profile to it (see attached) but I

can't make it hollow like a pipe. I can create

straight pieces of pipe by solid subtraction but I

can't make them bend. Is there a way to make a

molding profile that will produce a hollow structure

when applied to the 3D molding polyline?

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Rich,

Off the top of my head, without access to Chief....

Can you use the Delete Surface tool to delete the end "caps" and them convert to a symbol with appropriate stretch planes?

Or, you could make your moulding a double surface " C" shape with the open part of the C just about touching.

The join goes against the wall. That's similar to how they are actually made in Oz.

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Glenn,

Off the top of your head works for me.  :)

Actually I didn't understand how to implement

your 1st suggestion, but your second suggestion

could be a promising work around. Here is a

proof of concept 1st attempt. For some reason

the seam is off by 90°. I'm not sure why that

happened or just how to fix it right now but it

has the right "look".

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Rich...............Not to get off the subject too far. A short time ago I put in the "Suggestions" that we should have the option to "rotate" the molding profile in the Molding Polyline Specification dbx.  https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5769-option-to-rotate-a-molding-when-building-up-a-molding-profile/  This is just another case where it would come into play. Our only option now is to rotate the molding profile in Cad and then resave it. At some point you end up with a whole bunch of the same profiles just rotated at different angles and not knowing which one you will need to use until you see it actually "attached" to the molding p-line. If you agree, put a comment on that suggestion--------------squeeky wheel gets greased!  :)

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If I'm not careful I'm gonna get a handle on this.

With Glenn's help I've now got a fairly painless

way to create hollow (looking) downspouts. Is

it just me? I find little touches like this add a lot

of realism and believability to a scene.

 

Oh, and don't worry Larry. I bumped up your

suggestion and with the clout I carry around

here there should be an immediate response.  B)

 

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nice work Rich , hopefully the symbols will follow :)   do you have them without the kick on the bottom too ?  --- dumping water on the ground next to the foundation is a no-no around here.

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No symbols Mick. At this point they are just

3D molding polylines. No finicky stretch planes. 

No library bloat. Just shoot a Cross Section

Elevation and use the cad tools to draw the

path of the downspout. Convert the polyline

to a 3D molding polyline and apply the trick

molding profile. Use transform/replicate to

fine tune the position. If something changes

like the eave height or overhang just click

on the 3D polyline and drag the appropriate

handle. For drastic changes just convert it

back to a plain polyline and edit/redraw the

path and then convert it back to the 3D

molding polyline. If you have a style you use

a lot you could make it a symbol but the

symbol isn't as adjustable as the 3D polyline

molding. I found it was just as fast to draw the

path I wanted as it was to work with a symbol.

If you want to get the water farther away from

the structure just grab the end of the downspout

and pull it out. :)

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Certainly looks like you are getting the hang of it , it is a pity that this isn't considered by CA as important and there isn't a system to add drop points to the Auto Gutters , especially since that information has to be added to all Plans nowadays in a lot of areas, here all water goes to City Pipes or Gravel drainage pits well away from the house/foundation.

 

 I see way too many plans where no thought has gone into getting rid of the water , and you end up with DP at the Front Door or right outside a bedroom Window ,where you get to hear it dripping all winter....

 

PS isn't it time you got over your 70 characters per line Habit :)

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+1 For the Automatic Downspouts, has anyone dragged it over to Suggestions? Nicely crafted work-arounds by the way but you know how I am about work-arounds. May have to bite the bullet and learn a work-around just for the brain exercise.

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I don't think so ...go ahead I will +1 your suggestion happily....

 

M.

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