Greg_NY61 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Hi everyone, I hope you had a good July4th. Is there anything in the software to automatically install leaders on the house? Or even doing them manually is there anything in the library for that? I don't believe I've seen anything to create them or anyone using them.... what you guys do if anyone does them to show up in rendering view. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I assume you mean RWL's (downpipes) there are some in the Water Supply and Drainage library , but I haven't tried them yet http://3dlibrary.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?r=site/detail/638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Don't get me started on this issue again. I think this is one of the most neglected aspects of the software. Efficiently removing water from the roof planes and away from the structure should be of primary importance to any good design and the placement of these features also play a significant role in the aesthetics of the building façade. I have always wondered why this area is almost completely ignored. I haven't checked recently but when I was looking into this a couple of years ago I couldn't find a single example on the CA website that featured downspouts in the renderings. Now that I have gotten that off of my chest, the answer is that no, there are no automatic features and there is darned little available other than in the the library Mick listed. I think (Glenn?) may have posted an example also. You can cobble the parts together manually but the process is laborious. Here is an example I did back in my HD days using the library items Mick referenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 Thanks Guys! I thought so I wasn't missing this feature someplace. I agree with you Rich that is important feature to have it displayed and I'm sure the manual process is a pain in the a$$, hopefully this can be added in the future, and make it work something like you add corners to the house, it will attach the leaders to the corners where needed with a click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Here is a stretchable downpipe that may be of use. Downpipe.calibz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Nice , Thanks Glenn , seems to work well , you should put it over in the Symbols forum too so it doesn't get lost here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Here is a stretchable downpipe that may be of use. That's the one I was talking about. I thought I had saved it but my User Catalog is such a hopeless mess I couldn't locate it. I saved it again and now I have 2 identical symbols called Gutter Downspout so I guess I found the original one. I couldn't use it at the time because I needed the rectangular cross section and I couldn't figure out how to put a 90° bend in the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It would be nice if Chief would augment their 3D modeling capabilities to include drawing 3D lines and being able to extrude shapes along those paths. In SolidWorks for example you simply draw a 3D line along the path you want. Then you create a sketch plane at the end of the 3D line perpendicular to the line. In this sketch plane you can create whatever cross section that you want the feature to have. Once you have your sketch you extrude it over the length of your 3D line and voila, you have your 3D feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Rich, That can be done easily with a 3D Molding Polyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Rich, That can be done easily with a 3D Molding Polyline. Define easily. Maybe I should have been more "pacific". I was talking in the context of downpipes. Can we make them hollow? I haven't figured out a way to. I can create the 3D molding polyline and assign a molding profile to it (see attached) but I can't make it hollow like a pipe. I can create straight pieces of pipe by solid subtraction but I can't make them bend. Is there a way to make a molding profile that will produce a hollow structure when applied to the 3D molding polyline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Rich, Off the top of my head, without access to Chief.... Can you use the Delete Surface tool to delete the end "caps" and them convert to a symbol with appropriate stretch planes? Or, you could make your moulding a double surface " C" shape with the open part of the C just about touching. The join goes against the wall. That's similar to how they are actually made in Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Glenn, Off the top of your head works for me. Actually I didn't understand how to implement your 1st suggestion, but your second suggestion could be a promising work around. Here is a proof of concept 1st attempt. For some reason the seam is off by 90°. I'm not sure why that happened or just how to fix it right now but it has the right "look". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_Sweeney Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Rich...............Not to get off the subject too far. A short time ago I put in the "Suggestions" that we should have the option to "rotate" the molding profile in the Molding Polyline Specification dbx. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/5769-option-to-rotate-a-molding-when-building-up-a-molding-profile/ This is just another case where it would come into play. Our only option now is to rotate the molding profile in Cad and then resave it. At some point you end up with a whole bunch of the same profiles just rotated at different angles and not knowing which one you will need to use until you see it actually "attached" to the molding p-line. If you agree, put a comment on that suggestion--------------squeeky wheel gets greased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 If I'm not careful I'm gonna get a handle on this. With Glenn's help I've now got a fairly painless way to create hollow (looking) downspouts. Is it just me? I find little touches like this add a lot of realism and believability to a scene. Oh, and don't worry Larry. I bumped up your suggestion and with the clout I carry around here there should be an immediate response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggies1954 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Nice Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 nice work Rich , hopefully the symbols will follow do you have them without the kick on the bottom too ? --- dumping water on the ground next to the foundation is a no-no around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 No symbols Mick. At this point they are just 3D molding polylines. No finicky stretch planes. No library bloat. Just shoot a Cross Section Elevation and use the cad tools to draw the path of the downspout. Convert the polyline to a 3D molding polyline and apply the trick molding profile. Use transform/replicate to fine tune the position. If something changes like the eave height or overhang just click on the 3D polyline and drag the appropriate handle. For drastic changes just convert it back to a plain polyline and edit/redraw the path and then convert it back to the 3D molding polyline. If you have a style you use a lot you could make it a symbol but the symbol isn't as adjustable as the 3D polyline molding. I found it was just as fast to draw the path I wanted as it was to work with a symbol. If you want to get the water farther away from the structure just grab the end of the downspout and pull it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Certainly looks like you are getting the hang of it , it is a pity that this isn't considered by CA as important and there isn't a system to add drop points to the Auto Gutters , especially since that information has to be added to all Plans nowadays in a lot of areas, here all water goes to City Pipes or Gravel drainage pits well away from the house/foundation. I see way too many plans where no thought has gone into getting rid of the water , and you end up with DP at the Front Door or right outside a bedroom Window ,where you get to hear it dripping all winter.... PS isn't it time you got over your 70 characters per line Habit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnot-Boltz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 +1 For the Automatic Downspouts, has anyone dragged it over to Suggestions? Nicely crafted work-arounds by the way but you know how I am about work-arounds. May have to bite the bullet and learn a work-around just for the brain exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I don't think so ...go ahead I will +1 your suggestion happily.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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