Ridge_Runner Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Vectorworks highlights the layout windows that are out of date. You can either update all or just the one you want to work on. I guess we have to just keep on asking. I like this idea, Sherry. I have never used Vectorworks, use Autocad rarely (stopped upgrading at v.4), but this would be a great feature. I like the idea of the layout not updating automatically - shows how different many of us use the program. Sometimes I may move a column on the front porch 1/2" to center it with the dimensions on the plan, or make some minor adjustment that would not be recognized in the elevations or sections at 1/4" scale. I don't want to have to go back and redo all of the "clean-up" I have done to that elevation or section. I don't know about you guys, but I still seem to clean-up the stray lines, unconnected lines, or the occasional incorrect line weight. Chief is much improved in this area, but still requires some attention. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Yes, The technical illustration camera - I am using that exclusively, now. Looks good! I would love to see or have the ability to control the linework for hatch, sharpness of shadows, outlines etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 I like this idea, Sherry. I have never used Vectorworks, use Autocad rarely (stopped upgrading at v.4), but this would be a great feature. I like the idea of the layout not updating automatically - shows how different many of us use the program. Sometimes I may move a column on the front porch 1/2" to center it with the dimensions on the plan, or make some minor adjustment that would not be recognized in the elevations or sections at 1/4" scale. I don't want to have to go back and redo all of the "clean-up" I have done to that elevation or section. I don't know about you guys, but I still seem to clean-up the stray lines, unconnected lines, or the occasional incorrect line weight. Chief is much improved in this area, but still requires some attention. Mike Autocad gives you a message or warning flag that the reference has been changed - it is up to the user to update or not - however, if you save and reopen the drawing it will update all the references automatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yusuf-333 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Yes, The technical illustration camera - I am using that exclusively, now. Charlie, very nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I know Revit does, even Autocad Architecture (my main tool) can do it but it does not look that good, I am sure Archicad does it and even Softplan does....Vectorworks? Looking back at your post #42, that looks pretty good - but yes, Vectorworks does all this very well. What doesn't make sense to me is that Chief seems to have the ability to do all this fine, but it just doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 What doesn't make sense to me is that Chief seems to have the ability to do all this fine, but it just doesnt. That's the point I was trying to make in post 74. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 What about shading the glass, making it a dark color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 What about shading the glass, making it a dark color? Nope, you can never make is a dark color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw204 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Just do an ortho view with shadows and 'technical illustration". Play with settings...etc. Not exactly what you are trying to do (I did not take time to paint windows black...but took me 5 min) An ortho with shadows combined with an elevation. If I took a little more time, I could make it nicer. I THINK WE A WINNER!!! VERY NICE. I'LL BE ADOPTING THIS METHOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamlinBC Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Speaking of beating a dead horse...I've been doing elevations like these for a long time. For the most part, I've found the easiest way to do it is like everyone stated...technical illustration. With the release of X7, I've found that you can't paint window glass anymore...not sure why but it never changes in some of the rendering techniques. My workaround for that is just to put blinds on the windows you're doing the elevation on (see attached). For the hard shadows, just change your shadow preference to "Legacy Shadows" under Edit>Preferences>Render>General Options...that will give you hard shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LevisL Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 My workaround for that is just to put blinds on the windows you're doing the elevation on (see attached). Good idea (and nice out of the box thinking)! I'll have to use that. Won't help for doors with glass, but it's a good start until CA gives us more control over the glass color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Nice job Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Nice view, Jonathan. I would also consider using slabs with dark color of choice behind any opening, window or door. I have used these extensively on some projects where I want to control what is seen thru the openings. Just put them on their own layer and turn them on and off when needed or make a layerset. Make one and copy them for each change in size. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamlinBC Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Thanks guys! @Levis - I've noticed that the glass in doors still paint correctly, it's just the windows act weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 .....@Levis - I've noticed that the glass in doors still paint correctly, it's just the windows act weird. Can you explain this? How and what did you paint in the doors? Can you post a small plan with window and door? thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamlinBC Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 @Scott - See attached. Not sure if that answers all of your questions or not... The door is just the stock E03 from the library, and the windows...are just windows. Test.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 @Scott - See attached. Not sure if that answers all of your questions or not... The door is just the stock E03 from the library, and the windows...are just windows. Thanks Jonathan, a few observations... do you agree with my observations ?.... 1- as you stated the door glass behave differently than window glass, are you talking about the difference being very evident in the TECHNICAL VIEW ? 2- by coloring the glass, you still do not get a shaded window. To get the shaded glass you must give the glass material a PATTERN in lieu of a COLOR or use blinds, Do you agree? 3- The attached pic is what my elevation would look like if the window glass had a PATTERN Finally, no you did not answer the question because I was probably not clear. I was wondering how you used blinds. Can you post a small plans utilizing the blinds? Finally, I really like your elevations, I think the shaded windows make it pop (I did this in hand drawing days), so I am trying to find out best way to get the shaded windows in elevation....... ..... should I use your method with blinds or ...... should I use my method of a PATTERN on the glass.... down side to my method is I think it slows the plan down. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamlinBC Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 1) Yes, in the Technical Illustration and it also behaves that way in Watercolor. Not positive about others, as I don't use them. 2) Technically by spraying the glass it would show up as "shaded". Or at least more shaded... 3) Looks good...except there's no shadows. Finally, thanks I also attached a revised copy of the Test.plan with using the blinds. You can use whatever method you want...that's one of the great things about living in the United States of America...I'm jes sayin'. Test.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 1) Yes, in the Technical Illustration and it also behaves that way in Watercolor. Not positive about others, as I don't use them. GOT IT 2) Technically by spraying the glass it would show up as "shaded". Or at least more shaded... UNDERSTAND, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP IN THE BACK CLIP CROSS SECTION SENT TO LAYOUT 3) Looks good...except there's no shadows. YEP, KIND OF A DRAG, MAYBE IN X8 WE CAN GET THE SHADOWS WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE TECK ILLUSTRATION BACK DROP Finally, thanks I also attached a revised copy of the Test.plan with using the blinds. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BLINDS GIVES US THAT THE COLORED GLASS DOES NOT You can use whatever method you want...that's one of the great things about living in the United States of America...I'm jes sayin'. YOU BETCHA, I AM ALWAYS TO FIND A BETTER WAY WITH THE HELP OF OTHERS Thanks Jonathan, see you in Idaho..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamlinBC Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The blinds are a work-around since painting the window glass doesn't work in X7 anymore...that's the only reason for it. I've moved away from sending homeowners photorealistic, and worked on trying to send elevations like these. I've always found VectorWorks elevations look the best, so those are the ones I try to mimic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
country Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The nice thing about Vectorworks elevations is that they are to scale...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Nice tips you guys. Thanks. And great home design as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The nice thing about Vectorworks elevations is that they are to scale...... Yeah it's still a 2 step process in Chief, and not live either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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