builtright3 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How come the square footage for the garage is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 B/c your dimensions aren't located on the same side of each wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 B/c your dimensions aren't located on the same side of each wall. I dint get it? It adds up right if I change the garage to living space. It should total 800 SF either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Look at your dimensions they are not locating the same side of the wall for the individual room square footages. The way you show the rooms, they would have different sizes. If you dim. was located at the center of the middle wall they would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Ok I have something weird going on here. Second Floor: When I check standard area nothing comes up on the plan but when I check all the area boxes the standard come with it. I have been messing with my defaults to build a new template so I may just be something I screwed up but not sure. Help??? Marquez Origional Plan.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Look at your dimensions they are not locating the same side of the wall for the individual room square footages. The way you show the rooms, they would have different sizes. If you dim. was located at the center of the middle wall they would be the same. I think the OP realizes this - the issue is, as illustrated in the first post, why the Garage displays a Standard Area that is less than it should, eg 400+393<800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 To different problems going on here but I think they may be related. I changed the wall on the first floor to the center and the SF is still off. It only does it when it is a garage on one side but it should still come out the same. 400 SF each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 garage to house wall measures to the center of the middle wall, not the garage side as it should. Chief might have fixed that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 I have something messed up. I added interior and exterior wall layer sets that I copied from the "Walls, Normal" layer set and then I set the interior and exterior wall to my defaults. It works fine that way but when I build the second floor it picks up the "Walls, Normal" again. What's up with that? This is frustrating! I put the plan in one of my past post if anyone wants to check out what I'm dealing with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriseDesign Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This has been pointed out already - I think chief subtracts walls from its SF calcs and I can prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRST8TRKR Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 House wall included in house square footage ,not included in garage .This is the way it is calculated in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'm pretty sure Chief calculates to the center of a garage to house wall but it should really be to the garage side of the wall. It's close enough for me though but some day they will fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscussel Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Been that way as long as I can remember. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 The garage is 20x20=400 SF It will be a correction with the plan checker if the number isn't right on the plan so I have to put it in manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 This is nutty. This is basic stuff that we need to have correct on our plans. This information must be accurate. This is why some of us are advocating for CLOSED PLINES WITH LABELS..... this way we can manually size the boxes and the label will display the area of the CLOSED PLINE. This is why I never use CA's area calculations. I can not trust their calculations. This information must be accurate. I cannot stress enough to CA how important this information is. If this information is inaccurate it can cost somebody thousands and thousands of dollars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 ...This is why I never use CA's area calculations. I can not trust their calculations. This information must be accurate. I cannot stress enough to CA how important this information is. If this information is inaccurate it can cost somebody thousands and thousands of dollars. Agree, agree, agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I just did some checking and found the following:%standard_area% reports the area to the center_line of the enclosing walls.%internal_area% reports the area to the interior face of the walls.Using the default labels (Rooms, Standard Area & Rooms, Internal Area) both are rounded to the nearest sq.ft.Using the Ruby attributes they are accurate to 14 decimal places.I'm not sure what you want or need to show. My preference is a Custom Room Label using a Rich Text Box where I can specifically note what the area indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Always wondered about this calc and now I REALLY wonder about this calc. Why and when is a 20 ft. x 20 ft. room not 400 SQ? How is Chief calculating square footage. I simply do not understand. http://www.screencast.com/t/GXZH4LlliW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 No real resolution in my mind and will have to deal with the tools as they exist but I'm not happy. Mostly I'm not happy with not being able to understand the basic concepts of Chief interpretation of SF. http://www.screencast.com/t/O66s4ysznd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I have a layer set up called "Square Feet" and I do polylines around the areas I'm calculating square footage. Its extra work but quick and easy and I don't have to worry about being off on square footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I have a layer set up called "Square Feet" and I do polylines around the areas I'm calculating square footage. Its extra work but quick and easy and I don't have to worry about being off on square footage. Probably the only way to really deal with the issue other than Scott's request above for closed poly lines with labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 From the Chief Reference Manual (I'm still on X6): Rooms, Standard Area is measured from the center of interior walls to either the outside surface of exterior walls or exterior wall framing, depending on the Living Area to setting in the General Plan Defaults dialog. So, with the scenario originally posted by the OP, it makes perfect sense that the Living room displays a smaller Standard Area than the Garage, because the interior dimensions are different: The math confirms this: 20' 0" x 19' 10" = 396.66 sqft, and 20' 0" x 20' 2" = 403.33 sqft. Chief does the rounding for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 The living space drawing in this photo is correct in my understanding. Figures square footage to the center of a shared wall. The one with the garage makes no since at all. Go Figure!!!??? BTW: I figure to the outside framing, not the stucco for SF. That's what the plan checkers have always told me anyway. It came up one time when we had to have a 10 foot set back and they were ok with figuring to the framing. I could have been doing it wrong all this time but I never heard of going to the outside stucco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Works fine for me: I'm on X6. Maybe something got broken in X7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I now see how that works to the center of the wall, thanks Robert. But change the actual room def to garage instead of just writing the words and the result is much different but perhaps makes sense again as Chief will take SF from the garage by moving the measurement from the center of the wall to the garage side of the wall, increasing the room SF and decreasing the garage SF. Starting to make sense to my thick skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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