Using Live View in Elevation Without Color but with Color for Annotations

[kwhitt]

I believe I’ve asked this question before but can’t find the original post.  I would like to create a live view of a wall without color but have my dimensions and notes in red.  For example, keep everything in the view attached exactly as it is, but have the dimension line of 95-5/8” in red.  Thanks, Kevin

[DBCooper]

I think that is pretty easy if you send the view using "plot lines" but that isn't really a live view anymore.  You might be able to get pretty close using technical illustration instead of a normal vector view.  Maybe someone else has some better ideas because I can't think of anything else at the moment.

 

[basketballman]

Pull down dimension string, do a screen capture, then copy/paste just the string ?

Only thing I can think of ..

[joey_martin]

Use a layer set and the plot view camera.

[ValleyGuy]

@kwhitt DB and Joey are correct, plot lines is the way to do this. All cameras will work as far as I know, and the plot plan view keep dimensions live. I don't like to bog down my computer with constantly updating the layout, plus CA decided to drop the line weight adjustment option in the 'send to layout' pop up window a few years back.... so I always send the camera elevation to the layout as 'update on demand'. Then in the layout I open up the view and check the plot lines and adjust the line weights. This only gives plot lines, so textures don't work and glass house goes to plot lines, however, depth cue does work nicely. If you leave the layout box boarders larger, Text, Rich Text and Dimensions are live and show up automatically when added to the plan elevation with no updating required on the layout. If there was a way to set the default line weights (like it was before), without having to do this step manually in every layout box......

 

  

[JKEdmo]

One crazy thought -- could you do it with 2 superimposed layout boxes?

 

One behind with black and white live view with all annotation turned off.  One in front with only annotations turned on and in color?

[kwhitt]

19 hours ago, DBCooper said:

I think that is pretty easy if you send the view using "plot lines" but that isn't really live anymore.  You might be able to get pretty close using technical illustration instead of a normal vector view.  Maybe someone else has some better ideas because I can't think of anything else at the moment.

 

Thanks DB.

[kwhitt]

9 hours ago, basketballman said:

Pull down dimension string, do a screen capture, then copy/paste just the string ?

Only thing I can think of ..

Bob - thanks for the reply.  I'm not sure I follow you.  Are you saying take a screen grab of the elevation without the dimensions and then overlay the dims in layout?

[kwhitt]

7 hours ago, ValleyGuy said:

@kwhitt DB and Joey are correct, plot lines is the way to do this. All cameras will work as far as I know, and the plot plan view keep dimensions live. I don't like to bog down my computer with constantly updating the layout, plus CA decided to drop the line weight adjustment option in the 'send to layout' pop up window a few years back.... so I always send the camera elevation to the layout as 'update on demand'. Then in the layout I open up the view and check the plot lines and adjust the line weights. This only gives plot lines, so textures don't work and glass house goes to plot lines, however, depth cue does work nicely. If you leave the layout box boarders larger, Text, Rich Text and Dimensions are live and show up automatically when added to the plan elevation with no updating required on the layout. If there was a way to set the default line weights (like it was before), without having to do this step manually in every layout box......

 

  

Thanks Shayne.  Just so that I understand, are you saying send the elevation as a plot view and disable updating,  Any changes/additions to text and dimensions will be updated automatically without changing the original plot lines as long that they aren't generated again?  What does this have to do with the line weight adjustment though?

[kwhitt]

7 hours ago, JKEdmo said:

One crazy thought -- could you do it with 2 superimposed layout boxes?

 

One behind with black and white live view with all annotation turned off.  One in front with only annotations turned on and in color?

I thought about that too but thought it would be difficult to get everything to align properly, but maybe not if it's an exact duplicate of the same elevation.  This will, of course, require that I have two elevations for every view I'm after.  This might be worth a try though unless the topmost layout box hides the one below.  Do you know the behavior of overlapping layout boxes? Thanks.

[JKEdmo]

15 minutes ago, kwhitt said:

This might be worth a try though unless the topmost layout box hides the one below.  Do you know the behavior of overlapping layout boxes

Layout boxes are transparent.  Content will show through.

[kwhitt]

36 minutes ago, JKEdmo said:

Layout boxes are transparent.  Content will show through.

Thanks Jim.  I'm going to give it a try.  Kevin

[ValleyGuy]

3 hours ago, kwhitt said:

Thanks Shayne.  Just so that I understand, are you saying send the elevation as a plot view and disable updating,  Any changes/additions to text and dimensions will be updated automatically without changing the original plot lines as long that they aren't generated again?  What does this have to do with the line weight adjustment though?

 

I send the elevation to layout as a live view - 'update on demand', then go to the layout and open up the view and change it to plot lines and make the line weight thinner (1 instead of 18). Only because I want to adjust the default line weight and the only place to adjust the line weight is to open up the layout view.

 

You could send the elevation to layout as plot lines, the lines will be whatever your default line weight is. You have to go to the layout and open up the view to see what your default line weight is then adjust to what you would like.

 

If you make adjustments to an object back in the elevation, then you would need to update the layout view. There will be a prompt before closing out the elevation to ask if you want to update the layout (you can always go to the layout and refresh as well).

 

Yes, changes / additions to text and dimensions in the elevation will be dynamic and not need the layout view to be manually updated. They just appear on the layout and are always current. 

 

The plot line weight just comes in at a default that is quite heavy, mine is 18. From another thread from a while ago, no one seems to be able to adjust the default value now that Chief took away that option. I don't like the 18 weight so I adjust it to 1.

 

 

[kwhitt]

19 hours ago, ValleyGuy said:

 

I send the elevation to layout as a live view - 'update on demand', then go to the layout and open up the view and change it to plot lines and make the line weight thinner (1 instead of 18). Only because I want to adjust the default line weight and the only place to adjust the line weight is to open up the layout view.

 

You could send the elevation to layout as plot lines, the lines will be whatever your default line weight is. You have to go to the layout and open up the view to see what your default line weight is then adjust to what you would like.

 

If you make adjustments to an object back in the elevation, then you would need to update the layout view. There will be a prompt before closing out the elevation to ask if you want to update the layout (you can always go to the layout and refresh as well).

 

Yes, changes / additions to text and dimensions in the elevation will be dynamic and not need the layout view to be manually updated. They just appear on the layout and are always current. 

 

The plot line weight just comes in at a default that is quite heavy, mine is 18. From another thread from a while ago, no one seems to be able to adjust the default value now that Chief took away that option. I don't like the 18 weight so I adjust it to 1.

 

 

Shayne - thanks for the breakdown.  I will give it a good.  Kevin