ValleyGuy

Framing the both the house and the deck rim boards works fine.... if the box is checked in the Auto Framing Defaults. This also prompts the deck ledger board to frame. However, all of the rim board thickness is still controlled by the Floor Structure default. So if you have two different thicknesses between the house floor rim board and the deck rim boards, be sure to frame one then change the thickness before framing the other. It would be nice if there was a separate deck rim board default section too. Other than the glitch with the Joist Direction Line, and the beam direction issue (both of which Chief is looking into), the deck seems to frame up better than before IMHO.

Are there little sections of attic walls under the slope? They might need to have the frieze board turned on. I normally build all my roofs manually, sorry no help on your side quest.

I can't get the house rim boards to frame either......

When framing a deck I can't seem to get ledger or rim boards to frame at all, nor can I get the beams to build perpendicular to the joists. Is this a bug?

You might be able to treat it like a garage slab.... make the attic flooring (or sub-flooring) a 'no material', then make a 3D solid material as your plywood to fit your space properly.

That did the trick, thank you so much.

I'm hoping someone has an idea.... Is there a way to have the call out number sequence for a plan note adjust when a note is deleted? The notes are %simple schedule number% when placed on the plan, and also appear in sequence in a note schedule. However, should a note be deleted from the plan, the notes numbered after the deleted one do not appear in sequence in the schedule.

I don't have a laptop so hopefully Rene can help you get going on that end. As far as not be as robust, it is correct about Mac only getting 4 radial dial options per button, but it is still pretty efficient. I have played around with different techniques and am currently using the two click approach, and it seems to be working very well once I got into the mind set and rhythm. The first button push brings up only four options on a radial dial, each one of these will bring up an additional four items on the next radial dial. Which means that with two clicks there are 16 items per button. I have the Enterprise model and use 31 buttons for radial menus, so that is about 496 tools and library items all within 2 clicks. I find that having the first layer working as a direction path to the group of 16 helps keep similar things grouped together nicely. Example: I have exterior walls for 1st, 2nd, 3rd floors, and the attic. Each of these have a regular default new wall, existing wall, reno wall, and a demo wall. Everyone will find what works best for them, this may just give one more option to look at. I hope that you get things figured out before you lose patience. I almost was at the point to 'Hit Any Key' ... really, really hard.... with a hammer when I first bought mine too.

Where I am from there is definitely framing in the ceiling, we use 1x4 strapping to the bottom of the trusses. These are below the top of the wall top plate - inside of the room and make up part of the actual ceiling layer components. I believe what you are after is framing inside of the attic - above the top of the wall top plate. These distinctly two different framing members I believe are not covered with Chief's framing tools. I have gone to the help desk on the 'ceiling' framing trying to get proper 1x4@16"o.c. and that isn't possible at this time was the verdict. I also haven't been successful at framing in the attic space both the roof rafter (or joist as you have on the right) and the ceiling joist at the same time automatically as the framing only follows the roof information (pitch, thickness, etc). Nor have I found a tool to frame just the ceiling joist on it's own in an easy or automatic way. Where your roof and ceiling appear to have the same pitch, I have manually framed as best I could duplicating a roof rafter/joist and reflecting it to make the ceiling joist on the opposite side with a little manipulation. CAD poly to solid may be what's needed. The flat ceiling joist will work with using general framing of course. In a nut shell, you are right in needing to solve the problem yourself.

This possibly could be the case. Even though we are a Commonwealth country, only government jobs use metric that I know of here. I agree with having a separate metric template, especially if the common wall thickness is consistent between metric using countries - changing every wall ever scanned would be a royal pain for sure!

I haven't found any global default adjustment location past the few basic ones. I may be incorrect, but I suspect that the program can't get too bulky with options and still function on the small horse powered devices. I wouldn't be surprised if the default wall thickness stays at the one pre programmed option (114mm) , just like the only door option is a hinged door. As for the triple decimal showing up, I did a quick room scan and found that once I manually adjusted the wall thickness and moved the walls to 4800mm, I had all but one wall measurement record the unwanted .001 mm add on, even though the default was set to zero decimal positions. I also placed a room and set walls to 110mm and room size to 4800mm and every dimension was correct with zero decimal positions... until I pushed one wall to 5500mm and back again to 4800mm, this prompted the .001 to show up again on all of the measurements. I'd say this is a bug and suggest that you let Chief know about it.

I agree with just relying on LiDAR for the rooms not being reno'd. So far the opening size and location accuracy from the scan has been more than acceptable for this purpose, at least for the rooms that aren't on a one or two step height difference. Those ones are just off in the elevation height.

Yes, this my reconcile part. I'm not 100% confident enough to not have a back-up that 'can't move'. I'm also not yet convinced that LiDAR can fully flush out the always found different interior wall thicknesses, slight wall jogs, furred portions of walls, and boxed in dead spots that derail the exterior measurements. Plus, some closets are just not LiDAR scan possible. The CA app will also never be able to do "everything" either, it isn't meant to. I'm thinking that 'most' of the floor plan can be drawn and reconciled on-site on the iPad at best. Fine detail information 'written down' will probably always be a constant, to be taken back to the office where more time and/or a more robust program await. On a side note... The trace app is quick just using the pencil to write rather than type text boxes. And the portability of a cross body strap on the iPad (encased in a rubber 'kid proof' w/ pencil holder) allows both hands free to measure. This part should go quickly. I'll probably also grab the door and window info while I'm in the room too. I'm thinking that sitting down to move all the necessary walls and confirm the openings in the CA app will be faster doing it all at once on a table top than holding the iPad room to room.

So playing around on the CA As-Built app here is what I found. The walls seem to be easily moved due to the controls that Chief has installed. For example, a vertical wall can only move left or right on the page. A horizontal wall can only go up or down on the page. I didn't test any diagonal walls, but from the Q&A webinar answer, they will respond in a similar fashion. Curved walls... I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. Once a wall is selected, it will have dimensions already attached, or temporary ones will appear. Only the highlighted wall will move (no directional pop up like in Premier). So you either lengthen or shorten the attached dimension, the dimension is anchored and the highlighted wall is what will move. I didn't find any waitress with an iPad issues at all. This part of the app seems to be sound. Again, this app has some bugs with drawing or moving a free end (non attached) wall which I'm sure they are working on. Once they get that little glitch ironed out, I'm pretty sure that nudging walls will be done right on the app on site without worry. A nice touch is how Chief has the windows and doors set up. The individual item has an info panel to manually input over ride values (or easily double check values). And the wall containing the opening also pops up the dimensions from both edges to the next perpendicular wall so you can adjust on the fly. Another thing that I found; because I don't like to use decimal points, the app dimensions will round up/down to the inch. And I'm ok with that. Most everything that I do has varying degrees of accuracy depending on the situation. And sometimes when measuring a 250 year old house, accuracy is a luxury beyond reach... Here's what I hope to accomplish... As I chose a desk top and iPad over a laptop, I am trying to use what I do have on-site to not make multiple trips between the office and the site. Sometimes multiple customer meetings are hard to schedule, so I want to make the most of the time that I'm there. I find that I spend a lot less time getting decisions made by sketching in front of the customer. Way faster than using Chief and preparing a layout to email. I hope to also have time to sketch ideas on-site. I expect to measure the house to some degree. Again, some instances need very high accuracy, and others not so much, I may only rely on the LiDAR results for those specific areas. I also expect to have to make notes and draw in items that current tech isn't capable of yet. I should have stated above that this CA app will remove a lot of what I currently draw on-site. Here's the logistics that I'm thinking of... LiDAR isn't the full package yet no matter how good Chief is, there are things that it just doesn't do yet. Likewise, I don't think the CA As-Built app is a full one stop shop yet either (it was only just released!). So I plan to use the Morpholio Trace app in conjunction with CA's app. I believe it was designed with the iPad to be it's main hardware too so it works well on the iPad. I'm thinking that this package will serve as my on-site CA As-Built back up, mark up, red line, customer detail sketch book, and video camera - all in one. - CA Back-Up: I'll just screen shot the initial CA LiDAR dimensioned plan and keep it in photos. Just in case I need to compare any suspected unauthorized wall movements. - Red Line: More like CA app lidar dimension discrepancy check. Let's be honest, we have to feel comfortable that the LiDAR measurements are close enough to reality. For this, I plan to input the saved CA screen shot photo in to Morpholio Trace as the base layer. Then I can lay a trace layer over top and start confirming the room measurements. Circle in red and 'pencil' in correct room measurements as needed. - Split screen the iPad: CA app / Morpholio Trace app. Adjust the CA app walls using the M.Trace red lined dimension values. - Now confirm window / door measurements if wanted, placement, and swing direction in the CA plan. (Door types that are different than Hinged can be drawn in M.Trace.) - Screen Shot the newly modified CA floor plan again. - Reload the new screen shot photo into M.Trace - Mark Up: in the new reloaded M. Trace app. Place layers of trace paper down to draw in the things that LiDAR doesn't pick up (soffits, stair wells, railings, beams, ...), the items CA decided to remove from the 2D plan (cabinets, built-ins, appliances, plumbing, fireplace,...), and all the other items of interest: notes, the types of doors, configuration of windows, floor patterns, patios, exterior steps, electrical, mechanicals, ... So now there should be a very accurately dimensioned floor plan in the CA app with walls and openings, and a very sporty looking floor plan of the as-built complete with all the missing bits in the M.Trace app. And of course, take some pics and a video or two. Make some mark ups on the pictures in the iPad's Freeform app if needed for things like the roofline, porches, decks,... Now the remodel / addition fun can start with the client. In the M.Trace app, put down more trace paper layers for all the ideas and options. Even draw in upper and lower floor levels or doodle new roofline / dormer options. By the end, I hope to measure only once, and have it all contained on the iPad, done on-site during the one visit - depending on how big the project is of course.

The Morpholio Trace app LiDAR (orange dimensioned) picture is like I said earlier, just a 3D picture with a reference point up above, somewhere more left than centre in this case. The LiDAR is to scale, but it isn't a 2D picture like CA's As-Built app, so picking reference points on multiple sloped walls isn't feasible to obtain accurate measurements with any consistency. The thing that I liked most about this was the LiDAR gave me a great starting place - not just a blank page but an actual house shape to use as a guide. Trying LiDAR was the leap from paper, a ruler and a pencil, to using something digital for me. Morpholio Trace LiDAR is the first baby step out of the gate and as I am not experienced with anyone making an actual 2D floor plan from LiDAR, using the trace paper on the iPad instead of real paper on a clip board was the starting goal. And now Chief has taken that starting point one step further and is producing a 2D floor plan that is dimensioned and dynamic. I played around with Chief’s As-Built app a little today. There are some bugs to work out of this Beta release, but I think that they are on the right track to producing a very good (and accurate) app using LiDAR. And who knows, maybe they (and Apple) might get to the place where it is spot on.