ValleyGuy

Disclaimer: I tend to dimension as one would frame.... only exterior walls with associated openings, plus interior bearing walls (in Red) on one dimension line. Then a fresh dimension line (in blue) for a fresh start when the interior framing begins. Less confusion as the bearing structure framer does not need to know (or want to add up) the interior divider wall measurements. Likewise, the interior framer does not need the measurements for the front door or a window opening when framing inside walls as that framing is already completed. Adding a 0" line to your main wall layer (exterior side) may help you achieve what you are after.

I happen to be working on one right now. Just make a pony wall with the upper wall 1.5" lower than your wall height. Mine is on the second floor so that is why my elevation of lower wall top is so high.

Those 'southern' boys have a good way .... if you don't need to deal with frost protection lol. No wise cracks about Canada, I actually on the same latitude as Old Faithful in Yellowstone. @kimberlywilson you will find many different ways to do things in Chief, all come with pros and cons. Porches are no different. I draw my "concrete slab porch" rooms using invisible room divider walls (floor elevation -2"in this case to show below the door, no floor or structure), then add posts and beams as required. Jump down to the foundation level to add in the foundation (sono tubes in this case), back to the main level to finally add in the concrete slab (at -2" from absolute to match the room). Here are a few different things offered with this method: 1) I split this exampled bi-directional porch into two porch rooms. This allows the wood soffit to change direction with no worry about the associated railing or patterned concrete mismatching. 2) The concrete slab is a separate item that can be whatever shape needed without disturbing the porch room, placed at what ever elevation height you want. If there were stone bases on the wood posts, you can easily make the concrete to fit the pillars properly. If you had patterned concrete and it was sized beyond the room, the pattern isn't interrupted. Maybe you want a different coloured and patterned border around your concrete slab, just make two (or multiple if you want) - concrete isn't always just gray. A second option is the slab does not have to be a 3D solid but could be a landscape item. This allows for terrain sloping, as slabs do in the real world. Nothing like a 3D solid slab sticking up too high above the terrain, or worse - having grass growing through one corner then having to mess with the terrain elevations. 3) Separate beams and posts can be placed on different layer lines in layer sets. More control for each view (line weights, colours, draw order, display, labels) 4) Posts can be adjusted without opening anything in elevations or 3D views - select it and adjust the top and bottom height edit handles. 4) If you want a 6x6PT post and a PVC post wrap to show on a materials list in different listings (framing vs trim), you can with separate items. 5) Foundation items will show on the foundation level.

It's greatly appreciated that CA is putting some good effort towards schedules, that's for sure. Did you ever find out how the other programs handle this total sqft issue?

@DawnSimp there is one option from Apple that you may want to consider, Nano-Texture Display. I have it on my iMac and I love how it basically eliminates almost all glare. Sunlight through house windows when at a clients home is no problem at all, even if they are sitting on an angle to the screen. Well worth the price in my humble opinion.

I just keep all of the CAD poly line boxes on my Terrain Working SPV. I just cut and paste to the upper and lower floors - then back again to the home base parked off to the side. I'm barely out of the staring blocks on macros so there isn't much depth of experience to draw from.

I exhausted everything I knew to get a total from a schedule and came up short. You are right about the different poly lines on different layers / multiple plans messing up the numbers. I scratched my head and said a few bad words until I figured that out.

It isn't from a separate schedule. The individual floor values come from CAD poly lines with a macro in the label. The total is a macro formula in a Rich Text box.

There is hope with schedules..... after a tough couple of days of trial and error, I think I have beat this thing into submission. I'm no wizard with macros, but I did scrounge enough information to make a few that I needed. I also did some creative work with the X16 schedule abilities with macros already supplied. It is mostly dynamic and only a few CAD poly lines and a couple of text schedules that need to be poked to update. Maybe this will encourage those that want to learn some basics to take the leap. It really was a good learning experience.

Gene I have asked the help desk on this subject and they could not help. Around here, the rafter bottoms are strapped out with 1x4's then the ceiling drywall is attached to the strapping. With the strapping actually being part of the ceiling layers, every one of my plans has a 3/4" void where there is an open above situation (stairs and vaults). When needed, I have just resorted to filling in the gap with a 1/2" solid pretending to be drywall.

This may be close enough, make your treads with 0 overhang and about 16" thick, open risers and open underneath.

At the top beside File Edit Build, you can go into Terrain and then rebuild your terrain. Every time you move / build / change something, it will probably re-appear. You may want to check the Auto Build Terrain to stop this.

.... just read a little further along in the thread above to where it says "@JiAngelo has a great way to do it in X16, but you won't be able to use it in X14 as there is no Object Information header." This may help. In your original post, you wanted ...."Ideally I want internal, external and total sizes for each unit." I am a little unclear now of the...'I just want the total Room 1 size.' I'm guessing that you mean the total size for the whole Unit 1. Here are two different types of schedules used in X14. Maybe one or both of these will help. Without getting into Macros, one schedule with multiple totals, for each of the units showing the individual rooms grouped and then total, isn't possible. You could stack the individual schedules tightly on your layout to appear as one table. Side Note: I wouldn't mess around with room types at all - a kitchen is a kitchen whether it is unit 103 or unit 814. You want to attach each specific kitchen to a specific schedule for each unit. Let the schedule parameters define the different unit groupings, it will be much easier. I did change the Room Names to show in the plan view. Note the columns chosen for each schedule. This is the Final Product... This is the Poly Line Schedule on the left above (only one area measurement per poly line)... This is the Room Area Schedules with the individual rooms listed then Total (both interior and standard area included)...

@JKEdmo thanks Jim, I did find them where you said to look. It is a little weird that they aren't included in the regular catalogs too, just like the Crime Scene and Medical. Thanks again, Shayne

I don't even show those particular 3D options, not even under search. I see the Crime Scene and have already purchased the Medical/Dental a couple of years ago. I have a few listed 3D plants that show a price (free with my SSA) but is there a special place that you are finding these other 3D plant options??? This is all that I have for options. My SSA Expires Aug 2025

That would be a great idea. We have had a good week talking about schedules and the need for improvement. Maybe make a request to keep the momentum going.

@JiAngelo has a great way to do it in X16, but you won't be able to use it in X14 as there is no Object Information header. You can achieve similar results, you just need to drive the Custom Category from the schedule and not the Room Specification.

Yes, I've seen requests before, I'll send another one along. It really would be very helpful, especially OOTB as there are so many new things to learn when you first start using the program.

I guess one could manipulate the schedule even further to more resemble the OP example. Put a bunch of spaces behind the Title Square Foot Table to push it to the left. Eliminate the border lines. Add a space between the items and the total: Open up the schedule > Columns/Rows > Minimum Rows (9 items + 1 space = 10). It does look nice and clean.

Yes I agree, something that is required on every set of plans should have some effort made to be OOTB, and without so much frustration to operate. I should have manipulated the schedule's look a little in the video to better mimic his example. It's not perfect and does require a little bit of maintenance to Total, but this is the closest that I could get to looking like the OP. Of course, one can include / exclude whatever info was needed in the schedule (maybe exclude the hard surfaces like I have in the video example if so desired, or make a separate schedule). This is what I did to change the schedule's look.

As @Renerabbitt has stated above, you can have a dynamic schedule that actually works off of the items in your plan now in X16 - not off of 'work around' CAD poly lines in Custom Fields anymore. Living area rooms, non-living area rooms and even 3D solids such as patios, driveways, walkways. It is pretty cool to be able to leave out the stairwell without doing anything "special". I'm not advanced enough to total things yet but this might get you started on a path to solve that hurdle... Hope this helps, and if anyone has additional tips to share, thanks in advance.

If you have a room that does not need baseboards, just open up the room and remove the baseboard trim profile under the Mouldings Header. For the rooms that you want the baseboard to count on a materials list: 1) include a baseboard profile under the Mouldings Header, 2) go into the Components Header and select baseboard, 3) choose an ID such as Interior Trim, 4) take a peak at the way it will be measured under the Count, such as LFT, 5) go to your Material List Default and make sure that you include your ID (Interior Trim), as well as the column Count. It should show up for you in a materials list.

This clever idea works out very well indeed. (I made a second copy in my library in the reverse position - to place on whichever side of the door that I want to read it from.) The sign is always visible when that individual door is present, and not visible when the door is not. There are two parts to this statement that I really appreciate: one is the fact that the sign will stay with the individual door and that door's layer line - no separate layer to place the sign on. It's already pre-programmed for every layer line that I might place this door on, for each of the different layer sets. I can place this same sign on many doors, customize the sign's colour, location and door side placement - and then not worry whether it will show up in any of the views. The second part is the sign will slide / swing with the door. It acts just like a piece of the door. It doesn't resize if the door is resized, which isn't much of a problem as code here has made pretty much every door 36" now. Nice little tip, thanks TeaTime

I try and stay away from all the size confusion issues with scaling. This inch size : foot on this or that layout using this or that text size.... I just made two different sized CAD hex shape groups (blocked together with numbers) saved to the library. One set for the elevation at about 2.75", and one set at 15" to match my chosen schedule symbol size. No matter what scale I send the elevation out to the layout, the symbol is always the same size in comparison to the cabinets. The schedule is kept on it's own CAD sheet and no matter what scale I need to make it fit onto the layout, they always stay in sync. I have a saved Kitchen Notes schedule in my plan template that is set up with the proper sized note symbol default, so I just drop a note on the CAD sheet and use the library saved symbols.

Here are a few things to try; - check to see if your roof plane is out past the edge of the wall, attic walls won't generate if there isn't an attic - make sure in defaults -> wall -> general that auto rebuild attic wall is toggled on. - check to see if your window wall is toggled on as a gable wall - it looks like your 2nd floor attic wall is generated and visible, maybe check to see in plan view if there is a small attic wall already made, it just may be on a layer that is not visible in this 3D view layer set (check the actual wall specification layers in the display column to see what layer the siding is actually on) - If there is a wall, check to see that it is not toggled as invisible, or has an exterior layer that is 'no material' If these don't solve your problem, probably posting your plan will yield a solution.