mscpbd Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm looking at a new computer system and I have a few questions. I need something that will give really good raytraces, fast rendering times and last me a few Chief upgrades. What is better for Chief a Xeon double/quad core proccessor or a 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7 and why? I also need recommendations for video cards. I'm looking on Dells website, at the deals they have going on this week. ;-) Debra Here is what I have now - maybe just need to tweak what I have now or do a full upgrade? Operating System Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1CPU AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition Agena 65nm TechnologyRAM 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 399MHz (5-5-5-18)Motherboard MSI MS-7375 (CPU 1) Graphics VA2448 SERIES (1920x1080@60Hz) VA2448 SERIES (1920x1080@60Hz) 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (BFG Tech) 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (BFG Tech) ForceWare version: 337.88 SLI EnabledStorage 465GB NVIDIA RAID5 465.77G (RAID)Optical Drives ASUS DRW-2014L1T SCSI CdRom Device ATAPI DVD C DH52C2S SCSI CdRom Device Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCBC30 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I am also about to purchase a new systema nd wold be interested in hearing recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ok, you asked. https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=909571&workstation=1 jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Wow, how magnanimous. $200 off on a $14,500 rig and a two week build time to boot. I won't go a penny higher than 14K and I want it by Friday. Seriously there have been several threads on this topic. A search of the forums for "upgrades" will lead you to some of them. This was one of the better ones. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/504-best-computer-for-running-cheif/?hl=upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARCBC30 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ok, you asked. https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=909571&workstation=1 jon Thats Great!, I just ordered 3, one for the office, one for home and one for the lake house , just in case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPDesign Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 SLI doesn't work in chief, maybe in X7! I hope The speed of raytracing is based on your processor speed. check my specs, I built my rig a little over a year ago. Works great for the sub 2k I spent. Oh and I also ended up adding a SSD primary C: drive I have it overclocked to 4ghz, was at 4.4 but over time became a little unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I was going to suggest a Boxx, but felt the price may scare people away http://www.boxxtech.com/ jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I would try for Intel i7 processor and NVidia video card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscpbd Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Thanks to you all! I will check out the other threads as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCI_Design Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Dell Alienware has been good for me. Going on three years of almost daily use with high end complicated custom homes and not a single hiccup. Renders are snappy and working in the plans is quick. I considered building my own computer, but opted for something ready to roll. Dell will usually recommend their Precision workstations for architecture / engineering work, but don't get swayed into a system that is set up for AutoCad. Alienware is great for graphics hungry programs. Get the most RAM and Video Card you can afford and the i7 chip is great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragetoca Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 What do you think of this? $2khttps://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=1108756 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 If you can I would suggest an "SSD" drive for speed, it the best upgrade I've ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I completely agree with Perry. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McQueen3D Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 In that price range you should be able to get a very fast i7 processor and a very fast single nVIDIA card for Chief. That's pretty much all Chief needs to rock. Then, what YOU might need to rock is a decent capacity SSD (totally puts major zing in your bootup and your Windows) a comfy mouse and keyboard with programmable buttons, and the biggest monitor (or monitors) that will either fit on your desk or can be seen with your eyeballs. If I had $4K to spend I could still get myself a whole new dadgum desk and a kick-butt boss chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 What do you think of this? $2k https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=1108756 Those are great spec's for a great system. Maybe a little more RAM but that's all and that system is ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 To the OP Debra, I've included a chart to compare your current CPU to the newest out there and you can see how far back in technology/speed your current processor is. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+9950+Quad-Core translation - you really need a new system. Your current motherboard will not support a fast enough processor to really bother with up-grading and the 9800 GTX video cards are dinosaurs as well. The difference between Xeon processors and the current i7's is simply the amount of data each can move (in gigaflops). Here's another chart http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html you can see the Xeons kill the i7's and ideally you'd get a couple of high end Xeons in a server motherboard but the cost would kill. I've got a couple low end Xeons in my system that was built by a guy that had them on hand for pretty cheap (system was $2500 complete and the 2 Xeons overclocked moved more data that the then current higher end i7's) I can upgrade the processors to faster Xeons but again the cost will not justify it so I consider myself lucky to get a decent deal on a couple of fast processors and will use this system till it ages past its usefulness. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+L5640+%40+2.27GHz&id=1263 Here's another part of the web pages from above. http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/ The rules for Chief are very simple. Buy the fastest CPU you can afford. The CPU chews through RayTracing and general system speed. If you don't know which is fastest check the charts (for everything). Same for video cards. The video card handles the 3D rendering chores. Buy the fastest GAMING Video card you can afford. Stay away from the Quadro CAD cards as the bang for buck is simply not there for the way Chief handles graphics. Nvidia seems to be the brand of choice. Check charts. Memory, simple again, get the most, fastest you can afford. I personally would get less, faster memory than more slower memory. 8 GB min 16 GB max as Chief really won't use much more. Hard drive(s) Single SSD and single disc HDD. Power supply HAS to be big enough to power your goodies. 1000 W minimum. Cooling. If you don't know, buy a system from someone who does. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I was going to suggest a Boxx, but felt the price may scare people away http://www.boxxtech.com/ jon Jon, noticed you've recommended Boxx in several threads. I was on a Boxx for about a year before we hired a guy to specifically do our 3D stuff (this was back in 2006), and it was a good machine, solidly built - but, loud as heck and I thought a bit over-priced for what we got. Excellent interior build, though - easy to upgrade and good support - they still have our custom build on file and retrievable via the web. Our latest purchases are from Falcon Northwest, a custom gaming rig builder, and they have been impressive as well: Falcon Northwest Talon.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Here's a similar system to the Falcon if you were to build it yourself although I wouldn't build with only 1 SSD drive nor would I build with a 500W power supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscpbd Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ok - I'm a bit comfused... some people are saying Xeon is faster and some are saying i7 is faster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Check out this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ59vHSFfZA Xeon vs I7 explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscpbd Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Thank you everyone! It is amazing all the technology out there, it gets confusing sometimes. I ran the BenchMark check on my existing PC... and slow is pretty much it. Debra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ok, I'll quit being a smartypants and get serious. Yes, both Xeon and i7 are faster; depends on the task and software used. Is CA the only software in your workflow? Or, are there Autodesk products in the mix? Lumion? Etc., etc. Next is your budget. >$15K then it's a dual Xeon and fully Autodesk compliant. <$5K then it's an upper end gamer rig. <$2K then an upper end business computer or midline gamer rig with a good graphics card--or a gamer laptop. Everything boils down to what's your realistic budget. @ $2500 your pushing it for a new technology desktop. Does your budget include a monitor, keyboard and mouse? A service contract? Give me details. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Rob, yeah I like Boxx Tech. Rock solid workstations, great service. However, HP, Fujitsu, etc., etc. make good workstations as well. It's just that Boxx makes the workstations for Intergraph video servers, and next to HP Nonstop, they're about the most robust hardware on the market. I put Falcon on par with Digital Storm, Maingear, and even Alienware; they're good, current tech, reasonably priced. Personally, I've ditched the desktop and use a gamer laptop. Now if CA would just give us a renderfarm as part of SSA...sheeebang! jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ok, I'll quit being a smartypants and get serious. Yes, both Xeon and i7 are faster; depends on the task and software used. Is CA the only software in your workflow? Or, are there Autodesk products in the mix? Lumion? Etc., etc. Next is your budget. >$15K then it's a dual Xeon and fully Autodesk compliant. <$5K then it's an upper end gamer rig. <$2K then an upper end business computer or midline gamer rig with a good graphics card--or a gamer laptop. Everything boils down to what's your realistic budget. @ $2500 your pushing it for a new technology desktop. Does your budget include a monitor, keyboard and mouse? A service contract? Give me details. jon Great info Jon, but I think $2500 should buy you a great machine for using Chief and that machine should last a couple 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Check out this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ59vHSFfZA Xeon vs I7 explained. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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