ClarkeThrasher

Can a Material Be Nothing?

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Because I prefer the Vector view in 3D rather than the Standard which I guess is ray-trace (I don't know, don't like it's artifice), I need a way to make panel material be NOTHING, perfectly clear like air.  For example, in this screen porch plan, I want the panels in the door which I have changed from Wood to Screen Material to be Nothing Material so that the door and framework can be read as screen framework and let the mind's eye imagine the screen.  This approach works the same for shower enclosures I find.

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In your materials library you should find "Opening (no material)"

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@ClarkeThrasher - not in vector view. Even "open no material" is not "clear" in vector view. Even glass appears as a solid in vector.

 

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1 minute ago, HumbleChief said:

air gap?

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Insulation air gap will still appear solid...in vector view
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CAn't you use a glass material and designate the glass as not obscure?

 

There may be a downside but I can't think of it now.

 

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Completely invisible in vector view is a material we have been waiting for and made many requests for.  It exists but we need access to it. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, SNestor said:

@ClarkeThrasher - not in vector view. Even "open no material" is not "clear" in vector view. Even glass appears as a solid in vector.

 

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Yep, seems like there should be a way, I have tried making a custom nothing material to no avail.  I guess I will draw a custom door.  I seem to remember a CA version where you could click on 3D and have an option that would allow seeing through window glass into room spaces.  This was probably pre-ray-trace or whatever the Standard view is.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, dshall said:

CAn't you use a glass material and designate the glass as not obscure?

 

There may be a downside but I can't think of it now.

 

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Nope...doesn't work no matter how you tweak the settings.

 

C'mon Chief. Give us something.

 

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1 hour ago, ClarkeThrasher said:

I want the panels in the door which I have changed from Wood to Screen Material to be Nothing Material so that the door and framework can be read as screen framework and let the mind's eye imagine the screen.

 

Make your own door symbol without the panels.

 

Takes about 2 minutes.

 

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8 minutes ago, dshall said:

CAn't you use a glass material and designate the glass as not obscure?

 

There may be a downside but I can't think of it now.

I can't find a designation choice called "not obscure" are you sure your view here is Vector?

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Just now, ClarkeThrasher said:

I can't find a designation choice called "not obscure" are you sure your view here is Vector?

 

Clarke - there isn't any material in Chief that will not appear as a solid in "vector view". You will have to do what Eric/@solver has suggested above...create a door without panels. 

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2 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

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Nope...still a solid:

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3 minutes ago, SNestor said:

 

Nope...still a solid:

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uncheck it Steve,  do not have it checked.  My example is a vector view and I can see through the window.

 

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Steve,  after changing the obscure box,  you must retake the view.

 

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Just now, dshall said:

Steve,  after changing the obscure box,  you must retake the view.

 

It is actually live but the material needs to be glass.

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17 minutes ago, dshall said:

 

uncheck it Steve,  do not have it checked.  My example is a vector view and I can see through the window.

 

It is “unchecked”. And - I did create a new camera view. Weird

 

oops...I unchecked on Standard View...not Vector.  Thanks Scott

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3 minutes ago, ClarkeThrasher said:

OMG, Chopsaw, you did it, thanks so much!

 

I am feeling like chopped liver!

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2 minutes ago, dshall said:

I am feeling like chopped liver!

 

That is the way we need Chief to feel not you Scott.   See my revised first posting.

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@dshall - well, unchecking "opaque window glass" in vector view rendering technique does make door/window glass clear. However, railing panels still appear opaque.
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54 minutes ago, dshall said:

 

I am feeling like chopped liver!

Naw, you couldn't rip but you did cut right to the heart of my problem.

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43 minutes ago, SNestor said:

@dshall - well, unchecking "opaque window glass" in vector view rendering technique does make door/window glass clear. However, railing panels still appear opaque.
 

 

I'm sorry to say to you that I gave up on portraying screen, SNestor, maybe X13 or X26 will address the need.  Maybe we could organize a protest.

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1 hour ago, dshall said:

 

I am feeling like chopped liver!

With bacon and onions??

You got an early upvote from me! 
I think the problem with your post getting due attention was you posed it more as a question than an answer. 

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