FireflyDesigns Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 How can I get my foundation plan to display plumbing? I've attached an image of how I'd like to be doing it. I have looked at active layers and they are on, but only display on the floor plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireflyDesigns Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 I'm not finding anything that is giving me what I'm looking for. I only see how to use reference floors and that is not my need, unless I am not reading things correctly. I'd like to display the plumbing and pull dimensions and print with those images displayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 12:32 AM, FireflyDesigns said: How can I get my foundation plan to display plumbing? I've attached an image of how I'd like to be doing it. I have looked at active layers and they are on, but only display on the floor plan. Expand Make a dedicated Saved Plan View set for the Foundation Level ( copy Working Plan View) and make a dedicated Layerset for it ( copy the Working Layer Set ) and control exactly what layers you want to show in that new SPV. SPV Videos : https://www.chiefarchitect.com/search/?default_tab=video&q=saved+plan+views M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 The saved plan view I can't help you with, but I have a reference layer set up that has the interior walls and the plumbing fixtures turned on so that I can show them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Curious, are the plumbing fixtures on the foundation level? If so simply turn on the fixtures layer to show them in position. If not then a reference layer SHOULD give you what you want as has been suggested a couple times. Have you figured this out yet? Do you understand ref layers? Perhaps post a plan and the smart guys can offer more help. Also curious about how you generated the image you posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 12:32 AM, FireflyDesigns said: How can I get my foundation plan to display plumbing? I've attached an image of how I'd like to be doing it. I have looked at active layers and they are on, but only display on the floor plan. Expand A simple way would be to have your plumbing fixtures on their own layer and define those layer settings for your foundation plan. The same would be true for a main floor framing plan. This starts messing a few things up from a layer control standpoint, like the lav in a base cabinet. My personal preference would be to use labeled CAD blocks representing only the necessary waste lines that penetrate the slab, footing, or walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireflyDesigns Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 3:15 PM, robdyck said: A simple way would be to have your plumbing fixtures on their own layer and define those layer settings for your foundation plan. The same would be true for a main floor framing plan. This starts messing a few things up from a layer control standpoint, like the lav in a base cabinet. My personal preference would be to use labeled CAD blocks representing only the necessary waste lines that penetrate the slab, footing, or walls. Expand Is this more or less what you are suggesting? This is how my current foundation plans look. I do not do measurements, just outlines for tub/shower plumbing and they use the floor plan to get their measurements from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireflyDesigns Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 2:53 PM, HumbleChief said: Curious, are the plumbing fixtures on the foundation level? If so simply turn on the fixtures layer to show them in position. If not then a reference layer SHOULD give you what you want as has been suggested a couple times. Have you figured this out yet? Do you understand ref layers? Perhaps post a plan and the smart guys can offer more help. Also curious about how you generated the image you posted? Expand The image is from a plan someone sent me. My plumbing fixtures are on their floor levels. If I turn the reference layer on I am not able to get dimensions to those plumbing fixtures and I get more than just plumbing fixtures from the reference layer. Maybe I do not understand reference layers. I am currently watching some video on them to see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdyck Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 4:37 PM, FireflyDesigns said: Is this more or less what you are suggesting? Expand Yeah. Obviously you need to customize your drawing to your audience. I'd suggest that there's no point to providing dimensions to drain or fixture locations unless the builder asks for them and even then, only if the fixture models are known and the cabinet layouts are finalized, which is not typical for residential construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 4:40 PM, FireflyDesigns said: Maybe I do not understand reference layers. Expand This is most likely the problem. X12 allows for multiple ref sets so you can set up a single ref set just for your plumbing/foundation view. They are a bit tricky to get the hang of but once you do you will most likely use them on every plan set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 2:58 AM, Kbird1 said: Make a dedicated Saved Plan View set for the Foundation Level ( copy Working Plan View) and make a dedicated Layerset for it ( copy the Working Layer Set ) and control exactly what layers you want to show in that new SPV. SPV Videos : https://www.chiefarchitect.com/search/?default_tab=video&q=saved+plan+views M. Expand With a ref set included me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Here is the problem I ran into trying to use referenced layer sets. Solver has a good example in the plan he posted. The sinks are in cabinets typically & do not show up unless you turn on the cabinet layer. I do not want to show all cabinets. In fact, I prefer to show the sink only an not cabinet. The stand-alone fixtures show up fine. Toilet's, tubs water heater, etc. The sinks are an issue for me. Next are plumbing walls. I do not want ALL walls to be displayed so the plumbing walls need to be on a separate layer. You can use the layer trick with cabinets with sinks but as I said I don't want the cabinets, only the sink to display. So for me using 2D representations is what I do. The big downside of this method is that if you modify/move something on the floor above the foundation does not update. The reference display of the floor above will guide you so you can align CAD objects to match the modified locations. I'm not happy with this method but the work to make the reference display as I want it is not worth the effort. Thanks my 2 cents. And I hope someone has a better answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:08 PM, ACADuser said: And I hope someone has a better answer. Expand Use the CAD FROM VIEW tool of your floor plan. Delete everything you don't want shown. Copy/Paste in Place on the foundation level. Now you have CAD objects you can dimension to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 There appears to be a way to display just the sink without the cabinet. Stumble through the technique but it seems to work. Correction from Eric below. Just choose the blank line style for the cabinets in the ref set. ref_set_3.planFetching info... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:05 PM, HumbleChief said: With a ref set included me thinks. Expand Would depend on where Fixtures are if not on the foundation Level... On 7/6/2020 at 7:08 PM, ACADuser said: Here is the problem I ran into trying to use referenced layer sets. The sinks are in cabinets typically & do not show up unless you turn on the cabinet layer. I do not want to show all cabinets. In fact, I prefer to show the sink only an not cabinet. The stand-alone fixtures show up fine. Toilet's, tubs water heater, etc. The sinks are an issue for me. And I hope someone has a better answer. Expand Placing the Sinks in the Room ( on floor in front of cabinet > open > set Height > change layer /make new one if needed) drag into Cabinet with CTRL should allow them to stay on the Fixture Layer ( or one you have made specifically for sinks) Mick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:29 PM, Kbird1 said: Would depend on where Fixtures are if not on the foundation Level... Placing the Sinks in the Room ( on floor in front of cabinet > open > set Height > change layer /make new one if needed) drag into Cabinet with CTRL should allow them to stay on the Fixture Layer ( or one you have made specifically for sinks) Mick. Expand "Would depend on where Fixtures are if not on the foundation Level.." True that. See if I missed something in that vid Mick. I could not get the sink, once placed in a cabinet, on a different layer than what's default from Chief (CAD default). Gonna try your suggestion but would rather not have to go through too much for each sink.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Looks like inset sinks must be set in to a cabinet and end up on the CAD default layer and can't be changed, or I can't see how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:27 PM, solver said: Cabinets have the blank line style. Expand Of course. Thanks Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:27 PM, solver said: solver said: Cabinets have the blank line style. Expand Very clever Eric! Now can you solve the wall issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DzinEye Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:08 PM, ACADuser said: Next are plumbing walls. I do not want ALL walls to be displayed so the plumbing walls need to be on a separate layer. Expand You stated the answer yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:50 PM, DzinEye said: You stated the answer yourself Expand Yup just a little effort and it's customized the way you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Well with the cabinet issue solved I'll try it on my next plan. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACADuser Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 OK went back to the old plan & added the reference layer & changed the walls to Wall Plumbing Using the Wall plumbing & Wall, Main Layer Only I got the rough wall outline. This is great Eric. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:32 PM, HumbleChief said: "Would depend on where Fixtures are if not on the foundation Level.." True that. See if I missed something in that vid Mick. I could not get the sink, once placed in a cabinet, on a different layer than what's default from Chief (CAD default). Gonna try your suggestion but would rather not have to go through too much for each sink.. Expand You didn't follow my instructions ... the sink goes onto the CAD Default layer as it is really just the Sink's CAD Block from the Symbol. On 7/6/2020 at 7:36 PM, HumbleChief said: Looks like inset sinks must be set in to a cabinet and end up on the CAD default layer and can't be changed, or I can't see how. Expand No, not if you place them direct into the cabinet as you found out.... but you can use a White or background Color or the Invisible Line Style to hide the base cabinets as Eric pointed out If you drop the sink on the Floor in front of the Cabinet ( say ok to message if you get popup) and drag it into the Cabinet, it stays on the Fixtures Layer or any layer you put it on.... see your plan I Modded attached.... and then just use that layer in the Ref. Set. M. ref_set_3_MHD.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/7/2020 at 4:56 AM, Kbird1 said: You didn't follow my instructions ... the sink goes onto the CAD Default layer as it is really just the Sink's CAD Block from the Symbol. No, not if you place them direct into the cabinet as you found out.... but you can use a White or background Color or the Invisible Line Style to hide the base cabinets as Eric pointed out If you drop the sink on the Floor in front of the Cabinet ( say ok to message if you get popup) and drag it into the Cabinet, it stays on the Fixtures Layer or any layer you put it on.... see your plan I Modded attached.... and then just use that layer in the Ref. Set. M. ref_set_3_MHD.plan Expand Always appreciate your feedback Mick but I think the signals got a bit crossed here. The video was posted before your suggested steps and wasn't intended to reflect those suggestions, so yes I didn't follow your instructions in the video. When I did follow your instructions it worked great. I didn't read through the dbx that I got when placing the sink as a 'free standing object' - check yes and it all works great. The dbx I got previously I couldn't change layers with the sink I was using (dunno why) but then it worked fine and with invisible line for the cabs in the ref set, piece of cake. Thanks for the follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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