Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I have searched through the Q & A thread and and tried to find a help video but just can't find an answer for a dumb question. I can't get rid of the finished floor in the basement while leaving "Automatically rebuild foundation" ON. I've tried changing Floors and Room defaults for Floor "0" but when I turn the auto-rebuild foundation back on Chief puts the finished floor back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Change the default by deleting the finished floor when you set up the basement. Then re-build the basement. Any change you make to the foundation/basement after it has been built will turn off the auto re-build. As long as you are not too far into the process, change the default and re-build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 Thanks for the response, I have deleted the finished floor in the floor defaults and I can continue with Auto-rebuild off which is no big deal. I guess my question would be: Can I use "Auto-rebuild Foundation" without a finished floor and leave it on so when I'm making changes to the first floor it will make the changes below? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Yes. Once you change the default for that floor turn auto-built back on. It's the only way to work IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 Thanks Joey, but once I turn Auto-rebuild back on, it add the finished floor right back in. Could it be a setting in the template i'm using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 You havent deleted the flooring in the plan defaults. Use the wrench at the top of the screen and set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 I ha I did delete the floor in the defaults (wrench) am I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 maybe it's in the room or floor defaults, try those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 When it gives you the warning do you click OK or CANCEL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 I click OK because I want to use the Auto-rebuild foundation feature throughout the project. I know I can wait until the end of the project and then just delete the floor and ceiling finish and that shuts off the Auto-rebuild foundation. That is what I have been doing right along. I just remember a few versions ago X8 or X9 I didn't have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Are you overriding the Floor 0 defaults with the Basement "Room" defaults perhaps ? M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 I don't have the option for "Basement" room type. You got me thinking so i tried to name it a room I wasn't using "nook" then changed the floor to a 4" slab. I then Rebuilt the foundation and the 3/4" hardwood floor finished floor came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Something is overriding the setting and without the plan file I am out of ideas, so my advise would be to go ahead and work the plan, you can always go back at the end when you know the foundation isn't going to change (other than a minor adjustment here or there) and delete the flooring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 Here is template I have been using. Basement Fin Fl.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tom-Richard said: I don't have the option for "Basement" room type. You got me thinking so i tried to name it a room I wasn't using "nook" then changed the floor to a 4" slab. I then Rebuilt the foundation and the 3/4" hardwood floor finished floor came back. There isn't a Chief "Basement Room Type" sorry , i might not have been clear enough on that I was alluding to whatever "Room Type" you had used or designated in the basement area, and had set the floor finish in those Rooms individually , which would override the Default for Floor 0 As others have noted it is best to post the plan in question unless you can't as it is proprietary product or for some other reason you can't, then it is best to provide a Sample plan with the same issue , eg a 30' x 30' "Box" house using your Template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 I tried an out box template, the Chief Residential Template.plan and I get the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 Thank you but same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Don’t have an actual solution for you, but just FYI, that behaviour seems to arise only when the stem wall height and slab thickness result in a ceiling height of 72” or greater. Seems to be hardcoded too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 From The Help files... Basement Rooms When a foundation’s type is Walls with Footings or Grade Beams on Piers, and it is assigned a Minimum Wall Height of 76” (1900 mm) or greater, the resulting basement is automatically created with a 4” (100 mm) concrete slab floor. and a default Floor Finish like that on Floor 1. Similarly, if a foundation is set up to have a Basement Ceiling Height of 72” (1800 mm) or greater when built, it is automatically given a painted drywall Ceiling Finish. See Foundation Panel. Regardless of its ceiling height, however, you can specify a floor or ceiling finish for any room in the Room Specification dialog. See Structure Panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 A little further reading in the Help files makes it pretty clear that its just hard coded behavior that can only be changed "later" (i.e. once you turn auto foundations off). This is probably why most of us never have an issue with it. If most people are like me, auto foundations have a very short lived life with most projects. In fact, I pretty much never leave them toggled on expect for in the simplest of scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Richard Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 Thank you Michael, that is the answer I was looking for. I looked in the help files and searched Basement Rooms as you said and I did find it, I guess I wasn't searching for the right thing I appreciate your time in helping me resolve this. I leave auto-rebuild on while I'm teaching my high school students because it is just easier for them to understand what a foundation is. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG1949 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Tom-Richard said: Thank you but same results. What you might try, to see if it works for you, is to delete the finish floor material in the Floor 1 defaults. Then re-build (and set to auto-rebuild) the foundation, and the finish should disappear. But then you will have to manually add the finish to Floor 1 and any other additional floors. The finish floor of "Floor 0" (which can be set to "auto re-build") actually follows the directive of the Floor 1(which does not "auto-rebuild") floor finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 7 hours ago, DG1949 said: What you might try, to see if it works for you, is to delete the finish floor material in the Floor 1 defaults. Then re-build (and set to auto-rebuild) the foundation, and the finish should disappear. But then you will have to manually add the finish to Floor 1 and any other additional floors. The finish floor of "Floor 0" (which can be set to "auto re-build") actually follows the directive of the Floor 1(which does not "auto-rebuild") floor finish. Good thought Don , and it does work ....... I thought that once you designated a "Room Type" , the Room Type Definition would overide the Defualt of no floor finish on Level 1 but Chief has somehow set it so about only half the Room Types will override the Defualt automatically , eg Bathrooms and Kitchens work but Family and Bedrooms Don't , you can however Open the Defaults and in the Room Type Definition for those Rooms Click on the Edit button , close it out with doing anything ( causes chief to uncheck default) and close Defaults and the Floor Finish will build. (maybe a better way? , would need to play more) Still a bit surprised I have never noticed this "quirk" before.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG1949 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 16 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Still a bit surprised I have never noticed this "quirk" before.... I thought for quite a while that I had screwed up some setting and couldn't find a way to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Still a bit surprised I have never noticed this "quirk" before.... Just ran into this on a current project - very frustrating. I'm not sure "quirk" is a strong enough word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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