Alaskan_Son Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, rgardner said: is there a reason why to keep it in a separate layout instead of your standard layout template? -File Size -Layout speed -Sortability 21 minutes ago, rgardner said: Or vs your plan template? -File Size -Sortability -Inability to preset the layout box cropping, scaling, positioning, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgardner Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Alaskan_Son said: -File Size -Layout speed -Sortability -File Size -Sortability -Inability to preset the layout box cropping, scaling, positioning, etc. Thanks. I was thinking there must be a reason no one was mentioning it for the layout. I had the suspicions that the .plan file would get too big and slow down if I added say 60 Cad detail sheets to it. Wasn't thinking regarding the scaling issues with the layout version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I have a series of Detail Plans: Foundation Doors Windows Railings Floor Framing Roof Framing etc. Within each of those I have from 5-20 details stored in CAD Detail Windows which are named and show up in the Project Browser. I simply select the ones I need from those plans and send them to my Layout. This scheme provides a pretty simple "Look-Up" and keeps my project plan and layout pretty clean. In some cases the Details are imported Images (pdf, jpg, bitmap, png, etc) but mostly they are details I've created in Chief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjmdes Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, rgardner said: Wasn't thinking regarding the scaling issues with the layout version. 1. What are you guys scaling? A 3/4" detail, is a 3/4" detail. Maybe I am just to old school to remember when we drew a detail on a sheet of paper that was that. And our hand-drawn sheets looked just as organized then and we did not have the ability to move stuff around. 2. In X12, it sounds like we can have a .layout file with all the details sent to the detail.layout and you could just copy the layout box with all the info to your working layout? Maybe I should hold off on my detail warehouse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 My Warehouse Detail Plans are all at a scale of 3/4"=1'-0" It's all automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwideziner Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I have each detail in its own plan file suitably named and then located in a separate directory with i.e. foundations, soffits etc sub-directories to easier locate them. My details in my finished layout are then a series of plan and pdf's. the only downside to this is if I alter a detail without changing the name it gets changed in all other projects where that detail has been used. this has worked well for me over the last 14 versions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjmdes Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 This what I have decided to do regarding detail/warehouse and curious if anyone saw any potential issues and/or problems before I go too far. I have a folder in my project directory called Details. In that folder I have 2 files: 2020 Details.plan 2020 Details.layout In the .plan file, I have created several CadDetails under Project Browser to categorize my details, such as Roof Framing, Foundation, etc. I have created a block where I will put/draw the details, this block is the same size as the block I use on my detail sheets in the set of plans: I am sending these to the 2020 Details.layout, which will also be organized by sheet, i.e. Eave Details, Foundation Details, etc, to the correct scale and adjust the layout box to fit my "Detail Square". On the layout, I have added the macro to read the sheet label and the detail number, at this point, just a place holder "X": Now that I can have 2 layouts open, I can just marquee the selected detail, copy and paste. My layout box is already the right size, so I can point top point move, edit the number and done. Does anyone see any breakdowns in this process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, wjmdes said: Does anyone see any breakdowns in this process? Nope. That process sounds about as valid as any. Only note I would add is this. If all your project specific details are linked to that same layout, just don't forget that any changes made to that detail will affect any and all plans they were sent to. That probably goes without saying, and more often than not its a benefit. It's not always beneficial though and its important to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 2:06 PM, wjmdes said: What are you guys scaling? A 3/4" detail, is a 3/4" detail. Is it though? It's pretty easy to use the same detail for multiple scales by simply using different layer sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjmdes Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: Is it though? Yes, in my world! I started on the board and that is just ingrained in my head. The days when we had to think ahead, I am sure I have erased a detail or two because the scale was not large enough. I can see, and used to do this in AutoCAD, where I would draw a full wall section at maybe a 1/2" scale and then do enlarged views of say the top and bottom of the wall and use with different scales and layer controls. I actually need to consider that for job-specific details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Interesting idea with the 2 Layouts. May try something similar except in my work flow I use very few details other than the details supplied by my structural engineer. Seems as though others use many many different details. I also use very few that don't need some sort of change for each specific plan. Bill, will that Details.plan and Details.layout constantly change and be updated? To Michael's point above about them then changing wherever they are used, do you see that as an issue? And...different strokes for different folks of course. First thing I learned in the field was to never scale a detail and have never found a need to send details at any specific scale other than to make sure they are readable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, wjmdes said: Does anyone see any breakdowns in this process? Yes. You can't copy and paste details. (Occasionally it works, usually it doesn't. But I have been informed by Chief that it was not designed to work that way.) You need to double-click a detail on your Details.Layout and then send to your Project.Layout. When you go to send, there is a dropdown that lets you pick which open layout you want to send to. Otherwise, that is the way I would do it. However, I would put each detail in its own CAD Detail in the Details.Layout file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Richard_Morrison said: Yes. You can't copy and paste details. Huh? It works perfectly fine for me. Sounds like you must be trying to copy and paste from the Project Browser itself because copying a layout box and pasting into another layout box seems to work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Alaskan_Son said: Huh? It works perfectly fine for me. Sounds like you must be trying to copy and paste from the Project Browser itself because copying a layout box and pasting into another layout box seems to work just fine. Well, I'm only telling you what I was told by Brian Beck. It generally was problematic for me. Maybe it's because I was trying to copy CAD Details rather than plans. Not using the Project Browser. Copy/pasting text and annotation items from layout to layout worked fine, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Richard_Morrison said: Well, I'm only telling you what I was told by Brian Beck. Weird. That's basically the same thing as saying you can't copy layout boxes. That would really defeat most all the purpose of having 2 layouts open. Or are you talking about copying a layout box that references a layout CAD Detail? Because what Bill (as long as I understood correctly) and I are both talking about is copying a layout box that references a plan CAD Detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I don't know that there is a distinction, but opening and resending isn't much more difficult than copy/pasting, so I didn't press the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Richard_Morrison said: opening and resending isn't much more difficult than copy/pasting, so I didn't press the issue. Totally disagree. The whole point is that the view is sized, cropped, scaled, labeled, etc. exactly like we want it. I think you might be missing out. Anyway, it seems to work flawlessly for me... NOTE: The above isn't the highest quality GIF so it might look like some lines aren't displaying, but they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Richard_Morrison said: I don't know that there is a distinction There is definitely a distinction. One requires that the layout be linked to another layout. That simply isn't normal and is likely what Brian was telling you the program wasn't designed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Michael, I had problems with both. Here's the quote I received, "We do not currently support copying what we call CAD details in the program from plan to plan. My guess is you are either referring to a CAD Block containing a detail or a layout box containing a detail." I'll go back and try again. Maybe I misunderstood the response when I reported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjmdes Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Alaskan_Son said: The whole point is that the view is sized, cropped, scaled, labeled, etc. exactly like we want it. I have been copying layout boxes from one layout to another since X7? and NEVER recall having an issue, just that before this release, I had to open, copy, close open paste. 1 hour ago, Richard_Morrison said: I don't know that there is a distinction, but opening and resending isn't much more difficult than copy/pasting, so I didn't press the issue. I can fit 9 details on a page, so technically I can copy 9 details at once and paste and only have to move the layout box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, wjmdes said: I can fit 9 details on a page, so technically I can copy 9 details at once and paste and only have to move the layout box. Quick question for you Bill. If you need to modify a detail from your .plan file (which I seem to need to on a fairly constant basis) do you double click that detail box and make changes? Re-save or just remember that detail was modified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Quick question for you Bill. If you need to modify a detail from your .plan file (which I seem to need to on a fairly constant basis) do you double click that detail box and make changes? Re-save or just remember that detail was modified? If you don’t save, the detail in your current layout will just revert as soon as you close the plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjmdes Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Quick question for you Bill. If you need to modify a detail from your .plan file (which I seem to need to on a fairly constant basis) do you double click that detail box and make changes? Re-save or just remember that detail was modified? Depends on the change, but if the layout box is on my screen I would double click to open that .plan file, which I can do from either project.plan or detail.plan If I was making a change to a detail, like maybe the new code requires R-15 insulation versus R-13, I would change it so it had a "global" effect or I saw an error or wanted to add another note. The other case would be a job-specific edit and I see 2 scenarios: I have an Eave Detail with siding but need one with brick veneer, I would copy that detail in "My Warehouse" and edit to create a new detail because that would be useful down the road. I have a crazy design on an eave that I will never do again, so I would copy the detail into my project.plan and edit it there. I, however, find most of the details I do are useful for the future and just may put all those in a separate.plan file and send to my detail.layout This detail.layout is also going to allow me to print out a detailed book (which I just thought of) so I am going to add a layer I can turn on/off and lock, so when I print each detail will have a name like D1... so when I mark up plans for my son, I can just write the detail number on the check set and he will insert, but will not copy to project.plan OK, some of this is theoretical and not put in practice....YET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, wjmdes said: Depends on the change, but if the layout box is on my screen I would double click to open that .plan file, which I can do from either project.plan or detail.plan If I was making a change to a detail, like maybe the new code requires R-15 insulation versus R-13, I would change it so it had a "global" effect or I saw an error or wanted to add another note. The other case would be a job-specific edit and I see 2 scenarios: I have an Eave Detail with siding but need one with brick veneer, I would copy that detail in "My Warehouse" and edit to create a new detail because that would be useful down the road. I have a crazy design on an eave that I will never do again, so I would copy the detail into my project.plan and edit it there. I, however, find most of the details I do are useful for the future and just may put all those in a separate.plan file and send to my detail.layout This detail.layout is also going to allow me to print out a detailed book (which I just thought of) so I am going to add a layer I can turn on/off and lock, so when I print each detail will have a name like D1... so when I mark up plans for my son, I can just write the detail number on the check set and he will insert, but will not copy to project.plan OK, some of this is theoretical and not put in practice....YET! Thanks Bill. I can see some possibilities, and some complexities as well. I might start small and work my way up to a system that works. Either way opening more than one Layout (even though it was possible in X11) is a great new feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: If you don’t save, the detail in your current layout will just revert as soon as you close the plan. THX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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