mcrump Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Can someone offer some tips for exterior renderings. Mine look bland, dull and plain. I honestly don't know if it's some settings or me or a combination of the two. There must be some magic tricks to great looking renderings. I'm about ready to hang up some dead chickens and garlic around the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Michael, you should post some pix of your renderings to get some specific feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkClemons Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I like to enable the bloom filter when the ray trace is finished but before exporting it. Adds a nice ambient glow to the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Attempts at photorealism don't do it for me any more, and I have embraced the NPR approach. NPR = NotPhotoRealistic Watercolor with lines is a favorite, but you need to do the work to ensure your glass in windows and doors is opaque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I like to enable the bloom filter when the ray trace is finished but before exporting it. Adds a nice ambient glow to the image. That gives an interesting effect. I bumped up the settings and it gives a nice foggy look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Typical renderings just don't print in B&W or Grayscale very good. Instead use watercolor with lines and tone down all the color settings. Color printing is still way too expensive. Anew tool with rendering and line drawing would be really nice for typical B&W and grayscale printing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Are you using the sun? Have trees with shadows? All help in the look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I've learned that photorealism can bite you when clients are looking closely at textures. That's why I prefer the NPR approach with watercolor and lines. Final view with shadows, then watercolor, then lines. As Dennis says, trees and shrubs help, too. Post processing a raytrace with something like FotoSketcher can deliver nice results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electromen Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Of all the ones I've done, I like this one the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrump Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 Good idea Scott, Attached is my rendering of a funeral home. Rendering-1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Lately ,I've had a problem for a while with watercolor and lines that are just too dark and no way to lighten them up espically the skys and terrain. Not sure why, might be a video driver. Using the latest Nvidia drivers. here is an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Perry, that is indeed a problem, if you are unable to control line weight and line color when doing the line-drawing-over-watercolor. Here I have dialed line weight down to 5 and jacked the black color a little lighter by drawing up the lighter-darker slider adjacent the color block. And Michael, how about trying a camera view and not a vector view? Your funeral home view lacks perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Michael - There is some shadowing showing but very faint. I think you need to increase the value for the sun or add the sun if you are only getting shadowing from ambient light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 And this, to demonstrate the control one has over the lines drawn over the watercolor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Gene, I can control the line weight but the whole thing is very dark, even the exterior ambient won't change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton_Brown Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Michael C - If you want a realistic rendering that 'pops', I think you will need to go to ray tracing. For me, there is a huge difference with ray tracing always looking better than a render. Fortunately, ray traces in CA are now pretty quick for decent image quality, especially with external images. I also agree that the shadows need to be darker (more contrast). Part of my issue with your rendering is that while the house has shadows, none of the landscaping does, which makes the image 'flat'. This of course, is corrected with ray traces. Of course, for the most 'pop' and realism, the plants need to be 3D. One final observation: it appears all the vehicles are floating a couple of inches off the driveway - small items like this can have a big impact on image realism. Also, I agree with Gene, sometimes clients focus too much on the details of a 'photo realistic' image. Fortunately, once you understand the client, CA provides tools to provide images that work for you and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Good idea Scott, Attached is my rendering of a funeral home. Michael, I agree, something is lacking. I have an idea. Strip your plan down, post the plan, and have a contest with all of your friends here to see who can produce the best RayTrace with your project. Offer a $10.00 prize for the best rendering. I bet you would get a lot of entries and we can all learn from it. Hey, just call me the "Idea King". See you Saturday at the workshop. Oh, at least throw in a trophy along with the $10.00...... I will pay for the trophy, (you have been more than generous with me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hey Michael, lets's call it the MMCCRUMP; RENDERING CONTEST. Here are the rules: -we have to use your materials -we have to use your ugly cars -we have to use columns but.... -we can put in our own landscaping -we can choose any camera angle -we can choose any media, whether rendering, ray trace, water color etc. this could be fun, are you in? This could be very enlighting. You put up the $10.00, I will pay for the cheap plastic trophy (minimum 10" tall), let's do it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneDavis Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No need to strip it down. Put it in DropBox, give us the link. In fact, USE DropBox for storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I was thinking you were using rendering generically and that it was a ray trace. My Bad. Yes, ray trace!! Easy peesy in X6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrump Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 I'm good with it. $25 to the winner in crisp, clean American Dollars. BTW, I used the wrong terminology. This was a 4 hour ray trace. 5153-1.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 There you go Michael, you already have three Vermin chomping at the bit wanting to give you the best dang funeral home in the world. Oh, one final rule, your funeral home, you are the final arbiter when it comes to determining the winner of the $10.00 Prize money and the Cheap 10" tall trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 And I want dead bodys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I'm good with it. $25 to the winner in crisp, clean American Dollars. BTW, I used the wrong terminology. This was a 4 hour ray trace. Oh Michael, this is so awesome. Give me a couple of days, believe it or not, I actually have work to do, and no cheap trophies, I get paid in Pesos out here in SoCal. Oh, one more final rule. All entries must be posted prior to Friday, August 29th at 12:00 pm midnight. This will give you Michael 6 hours to determine the winner of the $25.00 and the 10" cheap plastic trophy and you can announce the winner at our Saturday workshop at 6:00 am pst. Awesome stuff Michael, thanks for participating, I will have my entry in before the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hey P. I sure hope you can help us out with your entry. And I will see you Saturday too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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