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How To Drop a Single Room's Ceiling Height Two Story Building

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I know this is pretty old and all the pros know the answers but I ran into something I thought was simple but wasn't - for me. Question - how do YOU drop the ceiling in a single room.  Thanks

 

 

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Instead of a double rim joist shown in your video along with false walls on second floor just use a "ceiling plane" set to whatever ht. you want.

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Via the ceiling finish option.  Note that the ceiling finish can be any thickness you want it to be.Screen Shot 2017-01-07 at 10.22.31 AM.png

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32 minutes ago, dshall said:

Via the ceiling finish option.  Note that the ceiling finish can be any thickness you want it to be.Screen Shot 2017-01-07 at 10.22.31 AM.png

But that won't frame ,I would use a ceiling plane and add your own ceiling height or create a floor structure from above with the dropped ceiling included in the structure. X9 fixes that

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Wow you guys are great - thanks so much. Still feel stupid but I'll get over it.

 

Is there anyone else who thought that maybe the ceiling 'structure' dbx might have had an effect on the ceiling structure?

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1 minute ago, DRAWZILLA said:

But that won't frame ,I would use a ceiling plane and add your own ceiling height or create a floor structure from above with the dropped ceiling included in the structure. X9 fixes that

Interesting Perry - that's what I did and it framed OK. Thanks!!

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34 minutes ago, Kenoeightspot said:

Instead of a double rim joist shown in your video along with false walls on second floor just use a "ceiling plane" set to whatever ht. you want.

LOWERED CEILING.PNG

Does that frame William?

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I'm talking about just changing the surface thickness- not framing.

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5 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said:

But that won't frame ,I would use a ceiling plane and add your own ceiling height or create a floor structure from above with the dropped ceiling included in the structure. X9 fixes that

 

That is not so.  It will frame auto.....  however I will admit it is difficult to control the direction of the dropped ceiling joists.

 

See  picture,  the orange ceiling joists is part of the CEILING FINISH and has framed auto.  The ceiling joists of the roof has also framed auto.  I did no manual framing,  what you see is all auto.  The orange joists represent a dropped soffit in the hallway.

 

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And you just thickened the drywall to drop that ceiling--that's new to me. Exactly how does that frame.

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The ceiling finish is a layered assembly.  So, you can spec paint, drywall, framing, airgap, etc., etc.

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Just now, DRAWZILLA said:

And you just thickened the drywall to drop that ceiling--that's new to me.

 

I am not sure who you are responding to,  if it was me,  your statement is incorrect,  see picture of how I defined the ceiling.  I did  not thicken the drywall.

 

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Just now, jcaffee said:

The ceiling finish is a layered assembly.  So, you can spec paint, drywall, framing, airgap, etc., etc.

 

Yes.

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48 minutes ago, dshall said:

Via the ceiling finish option.  Note that the ceiling finish can be any thickness you want it to be.Screen Shot 2017-01-07 at 10.22.31 AM.png

Yes that's the way I do it, I misinterpreted your Quote when you said ceiling finish.

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I've never tried it without specifying the framing.

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I like to do it the way Scott does it. This way frames properly and doesn't alter any walls it attaches to. With a ceiling plane your wall plates on adjoining walls will drop to accommodate ceiling. Ceiling plane you do not get framing for ridge and sub fascia so only what would be dropped joists frames. Ceiling finish gives you framing all around, albeit doubled.

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I should correct the above slightly. as long as you have ceiling plane only to drywall finish it won't affect framing of adjoining walls. However you would have more manual touch-up to place dropped joist where they need to be, If ceiling would be framed before drywall.

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Here's the exterior wall condition I get when defining the floor above to have an added layer of framing.

 

 

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How did you define your ceiling?  Did you do it the way everyone else is doing it?

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And just to repeat, if you want to change the ceiling structure of a first floor room you cannot do so by changing the ceiling structure of that room. Really? Yes really. You need to change the ceiling 'finish', add a ceiling plane, or add structure to the floor above.

 

Just to be clearer the ceiling structure dbx of a first floor room has no bearing or effect on that room's ceiling structure. Sigh...

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2 minutes ago, dshall said:

How did you define your ceiling?  Did you do it the way everyone else is doing it?

I created a floor above that room and defined that floor to have an added framing layer, then lowered the ceiling. Video shows it if you can make it through.

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1 minute ago, HumbleChief said:

And just to repeat, if you want to change the ceiling structure of a first floor room you cannot do so by changing the ceiling structure of that room. Really? Yes really. You need to change the ceiling 'surface', add a ceiling plane, or add structure to the floor above.

 

Just to be clearer the ceiling structure dbx of a first floor room has no bearing or effect on that room's ceiling structure. Sigh...

 

actually to be clearer,  you might want to change the ceiling finish,  I am not sure if you can change the ceiling surface.

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2 minutes ago, dshall said:

 

actually to be clearer,  you might want to change the ceiling finish,  I am not sure if you can change the ceiling surface.

I'll change my post - thanks. Still dumb and counter intuitive.

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Just now, HumbleChief said:

I created a floor above that room and defined that floor to have an added framing layer, then lowered the ceiling. Video shows it if you can make it through.

 

Well,  I am not sure if that is what I am doing or what Perry is doing or what Jerry is doing or what Jon is doing.  I think we are all adding the framing to the ceiling finish and not to the ceiling structure and not to the floor assembly.  I do not think anybody is creating a floor above the room....  there is already a floor at the second floor.

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Ceiling Finish is what I use.  I've tried Ceiling Framing and things go all cattywampus. 

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