capitaldesigns Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 How do I rotate a line or object at a user defined rotation point? CA wants to rotate at the objects center point. There must be a way that the user can decide where that want the rotating point to be. Does anyone know how to do this ? Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenoeightspot Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1. Place pint marker 2. Click on Edit 3. Click on Edit behaviors 4. Click on " Rotate/resize about current point then rotate the object. When finished go back and uncheck no.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitaldesigns Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Thanks William. That's a lot of work to rotate something. I practice it several times. I got the time down to 41 seconds. I did the same thing in AutoCAD once. It took 5 seconds. In CA it takes 12 clicks to rotate a line at a user specified point and get out of the rotate about a certain point command and delete the temporary point. And most of these a going through menus. In AutoCAD it took 4 clicks to accomplish the same thing. One was a keyboard command (type RO, enter) then click the line to rotate, click the point you line to rotate about, then move the cursor where you want the line to rotate to. Type RO, enter then click, click, click and your done. This is using AutoCAD 14 which came out in the late 90's. I hope CA plans on making some needed changes to improve the speed of the CAD portion of their program. If AutoCAD was able to figure this out 20 plus years ago I'm sure that programmer at CA will be able to figure it out as well. That is if they want to. Thanks, Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey Mike. Here's a quick video with a few tips that may help you out.... and here's another one I made a while back that also has some decent tips in it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelgia Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Great videos! I was using a slightly longer approach so this really helped. (Is that crickets I hear over at camp autocad?....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitaldesigns Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 Thanks for the videos. That was very helpful. Thank You Michael. Regarding Michaelgia comment (Is that crickets I hear over at camp autocad?....) I does not sound like you have ever used AutoCAD. The one thing nice about AutoCAD is it much more intuitive then CA, As an example I will us the rotate an object around a specific point. First of all you have several ways to start a command. You can find the menu pick for the command, you can type the name of the command or you can enter the macro command (hot key). If you start typing the name of the command, AutoCAD is intuitive enough that it will give you a list of commands that start with those letters. Example, rotate. You type the first letter R of the command rotate, AutoCAD will give a list of commands that start with R. If you do not see the command you are looking for type the next letter of the command O. In this case the command rotate is displayed. Hit the enter on your mouse and you've entered the command. AutoCAD tells you what to do next. It asks you to "specify base point". You pick the point where you want your object to rotate around. It next asks you to "specify rotation angle" You can either give a specific rotation angle or just rotate your cursor around while the object moves along with your cursor until you click enter. Each command in AutoCAD will let you know what the next step of that command is. CA give you no such information. I will beat you that if you had someone that had never used CA or AutoCAD before and asked them to rotate an object around a specific point they would be able to learn how to do it in AutoCAD much quicker. In AutoCAD type in the name of the command then just follow the screen prompts. In CA go through the manuals or go through each menu until you think you found what your looking for. Even once you found the right command your looking for you still would not be able complete the command correctly because you would have had to have known that CA requires you to place the point that you want to rotate the object around first. How would you have instinctively know this fact. You more than likely would have not know this and you would have been lost. And this is only one of the commands in CA out of 100's or 1,000's. This is one of the reasons why experienced AutoCAD users have such a hard time learning CA. AutoCAD give the user a lot of on screen help while in each command. CA give the user no such help. If it wasn't for all of you on ChiefTalk a lot more experienced AutoCAD users would have given up on CA within a few months, me included. All of you on ChiefTalk that have taken the time to help us newbies to CA are surly the shinning stars in the Chief kingdom. I wish that all of us lived close enough to each other so all of us that have benefited from your knowledge and generosity could put on a party for all of you guys. That would be the least we could do thank you for all of your help. You are all truly Chieftains. Thank You Very Much, Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/6/2017 at 2:52 AM, michaelgia said: (Is that crickets I hear over at camp autocad?....) I think Michael does a great job showing the fastest possible way in Chief - but make no mistake, Chief's 2D and communal function with basic 3D isn't nearly as fast or intuitive as Autocad or many other apps....but Chief does so many other key things better its why we are here. Although, you really wouldn't think 2D tools would be too hard to improve....who knows though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashid_Garuba Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Having to change modes tells me Chief simply cannot accept nested commands as other programs do. Putting a marker down AND changing modes is very archaic. Changing modes should be a thing of the past.. for any edits. Chief is not far from being spectacular but it seems these basic weaknesses (that's what they are) are nearly impossible to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitaldesigns Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 You would thing that if other programs had these issues resolved 20 years ago and with old technology it would be easy for Chief to correct these problems. Chief really needs to hire some architects that are very familiar with other architectural software and get their inputs on what needs to change to bring Chief up to speed on what other programs can do. Then makes the necessary changes to the software to make it truly a great program. Its great to have all of the tools to do floor plans, elevations and 3D rendering. But when it comes to the working drawing phase of the plans Chief if very lacking, to put it politely. I wish that Chief would care as much about the working drawing phase of the project as they care about the design phase of the project. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashid_Garuba Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Mike... Clearly you haven't been around here very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitaldesigns Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 Your right. I had purchased Chief less than two years ago. To date I have only did the floor plans, elevations in Chief. I then finished the rest of the plans in AutoCAD. I spend many time longer figuring out how or if I can do something in Chief then it would take me to do the same thing in AutoCAD. I am working on a small 400 s.f. one story addition that I am determined to complete in Chief. In AutoCAD this addition would take me two days at the most. That would include plot plan, floor plan, elevations, foundation plan, framing plan, sections, framing details, schedules, energy calculation and adding the structural engineers information to the plans. Right now doing these plans in Chief I have four days of work and I am finally ready to send the plans to the engineer. I still have to work on the site plan, details, schedules and energy calculation and then add on the engineers information to the plans. At least the energy calculations are done in another program. I'm sure the next project will go quicker than this one has and the one after that will be quicker yet. I ready to call it quits for the night. I need to get up early and pick up my father so we can go out flying somewhere. Should be a good day for flying. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, amiin85 said: hi where is pint marker i simply want to rotate an object like 8 or 9 degrees Typo. he meant point marker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH_SLC Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Help Needed- I need to rotate my model car only a couple degrees to show this sloped driveway. After placing a point marker, I can't find where to input my desired angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyt12 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 you have to click on the transform/replicate object dialogue. Alternatively you could designate the CAD insertion point where youve placed the point marker on the CAD block then use the Parallel/Perpendicular tool then the point to point move tool using the insertion point as the snapping point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH_SLC Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 9 hours ago, mattyt12 said: you have to click on the transform/replicate object dialogue. Alternatively you could designate the CAD insertion point where youve placed the point marker on the CAD block then use the Parallel/Perpendicular tool then the point to point move tool using the insertion point as the snapping point I'm realizing I may have built the car wrong which makes the object more complex... I built the 3D solid in plan view, then rotated the object around for elevation view, which would explain why when I rotate the object it goes around the x axis, rather than y axis. Is there another approach? It would be great if after placing my point marker, I could use point-to-point to create the desired angle. I have also attached my file for reference. Porsche 911 Model_2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Try this instead. Porche911.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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