nick66 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Can someone explain the process for selling a set of plans out of state that might require an architect to stamp off on it? Is that my responsibility or the buyers? I live in Oklahoma and they dont require an architect signature under 2 stories. So thats what I'm familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Contact Vince Kunasek, vince@vincekunasekdesign.com, 9629 Redick Ave., Omaha, NE 68122 Phone. 402-315-9996 He sells plans. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hi: it would be the clients responsibility to find the architect and pay them it would be your responsibility to draw good plans and to fix them if needed Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Nick66, You should be aware that "plan stamping" is generally illegal in virtually every jurisdiction I know. Some states allow a relatively loose standard of "responsible control," others require that the drawing actually be done by the architect or an employee of the architect. (Not even by a subcontractor.) There may be architects stupid enough to stamp someone else's plans, but finding one may pose some challenges. (Yes, I'm aware that some of you think that just about EVERY architect is that stupid, and so it shouldn't be hard at all.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Nick66, You should be aware that "plan stamping" is generally illegal in virtually every jurisdiction I know. Some states allow a standard of "responsible control," others require that the drawing actually be done by the architect or an employee of the architect. (Not even by a subcontractor.) There may be architects stupid enough to stamp someone else's plans, but finding one may pose some challenges. (Yes, I'm aware that some of you think that just about EVERY architect is that stupid, and so it shouldn't be hard at all.) The problem might be finding someone that in the particular state. He can also have an engineer stamp the plans, that actually does the calc's required. He can mark up a set and you make the changes like structural, beam sizes, shear walls if needed. It's legal, I've done it for 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northriver Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I would say as a minimum you would have to disclose that the plans where not drawn by a licensed Architect and depending on what state the purchaser of your plans resides in the plans may be required to be thoroughly reviewed or re drawn by a licensed Architect as well as needing Engineering. PS: You may want to include that you will correct any plans marked up by an Architect and licensed Engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Here is a document worth reading on this topic: http://www.ncarb.org/Publications/~/media/Files/PDF/Special-Paper/signseal.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 here in NY an architect/engineer can review and stamp the pages it is perfectly legal http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/arch/archguide-a2.htm in DC/MDVA they only needed to do pages that involved engineering etc other pages could be signed and submitted by the builder as Richard stated the requirements vary per jurisdiction so call the local permit office and ask what the requirements are Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Here is a document worth reading on this topic: http://www.ncarb.org/Publications/~/media/Files/PDF/Special-Paper/signseal.pdf That doc does not apply in this case, that is for Architects that have their own rules just for them. We follow the business and profession codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Perry, the OP was asking about getting his plans stamped by architects in other jurisdictions. This document addresses that very issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisualDandD Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The problem might be finding someone that in the particular state. He can also have an engineer stamp the plans, that actually does the calc's required. He can mark up a set and you make the changes like structural, beam sizes, shear walls if needed. It's legal, I've done it for 40 years. Exactly. The answer to the Op would probably have been better stated that your best option would be to have the plans engineered by a licensed PE. They then seal the drawings and no architect required. I have worked with some that do it several ways. Some annotate my plans by hand and I transcribe their notes and then they seal my drawings. Others make their own drawings as "S" pages and seal those and the "A's" require no seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Others make their own drawings as "S" pages and seal those and the "A's" require no seal. This is really the only appropriate and "safe" way to do it. (assuming the jurisdiction doesn't require an "A" seal, too, which it may.) If an engineer affixes his/her seal to drawings labeled "Acme Drafting Services" there is a good chance that they are guilty of professional misconduct. Also, many states have provisions that "responsible control" means that the engineer was involved all of the way through the drawing preparation process. (i.e. marking up and getting revisions to a set of completed plans doesn't cut it.) Now, obviously, a building department doesn't know exactly when an engineer gets involved. Nor is a building department likely to report possible misconduct. It will get reported by a disgruntled client, or maybe another engineer who doesn't like "plan stamping," and then there will be an investigation by the Board of Professional Engineers for that state. You will find engineers who don't understand their own professional licensing laws, and THINK they can just review and stamp someone else's plans. This is a state-by-state analysis, and no one should make any assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Now opened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution DavidJPotter Posted September 29, 2016 Solution Share Posted September 29, 2016 Most of the above responses are just people's opinions (worthless), talk to Vince Kunasek as he has been selling plans for years, his advice would be more useful to you than others opinions and biases. It is to be expected that others would tend to discourage you from doing what you want to do by placing barriers and questions in your way. Just talk to Vince and do what you want to do. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Now opened Yes please close as this has been discussed a lot and some people just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Most of the above responses are just people's opinions (worthless), talk to Vince Kunasek as he has been selling plans for years, his advice would be more useful to you than others opinions and biases. It is to be expected that others would tend to discourage you from doing what you want to do by placing barriers and questions in your way. Just talk to Vince and do what you want to do. DJP This is just getting another opinion, and the advice of "do what you want to do" is grossly irresponsible. Just read the specific state laws yourself. They aren't that hard to find and understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If an engineer affixes his/her seal to drawings labeled "Acme Drafting Services" there is a good chance that they are guilty of professional misconduct Richard: as you stated elsewhere this varies from state to state Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick66 Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 Ok thanks for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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