Alaskan_Son

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Alex, if your plan is too big to post, you can do one of 3 things... 1. Try zipping it first (right click and send to zipped folder) 2. Do a Save As and delete all the unnecessary stuff from the plan (this particular step can sometimes lead to helping you solve your own problem or narrow things down a bit) before posting. 3. Send to Dropbox and just post the link. Whatever you do, always close the plan before trying to upload.

Thats just the way it works. If you want the interior walls in addition to the exterior walls do this instead... Build a blank floor, go back to the floor below, switch to a wall tool, shift select all your walls and then Copy. Go back to upper floor and Paste Hold Position.

I had to leave the office, but I did take a look at your plan. Try this (assuming it's only for interior renderings)... -Delete that roof plane and instead... -Draw a small ceiling plane that ends at the interior of the surrounding walls. -Copy and adjust the wall type for that little wing wall (the one in line with the sloped wall area) to delete the finish layer from the interior surface. -Take an elevation view of that angled wall area and create a CAD Detail From View. -Trace that triangle area in your CAD Detail or just select the necessary lines and Copy them (lines will be used for snap points). -Go back to plan view and create a single layer wall type (1/2" drywall) and slide it up against that wing wall. Make it long enough to extend from exterior wall to just beyond where your custom ceiling plane meets ceiling. -Go back to elevation view and Paste Hold Position the previously copied linework and use those lines to cut, resize, and reshape your 1/2" thick wall to cover that whole face in one piece.

This has been happening on my iPhone quite a bit lately. One time it was a Chief issue (happened on my computer at home as well), but more often than not, it's specific to my iPhone. My solution is to clear my browser history when it happens.

Not something I recall having ever had happen. Might be a good idea to post the plan along with steps to reproduce the problem.

Hey Chopsaw, here's what I think works best using your plan. Multiple walls but otherwise very similar to what I did in the post and plan above along with a few other minor modifications. My conclusion... It's easier to use a NON-WINDOW symbol like in the first example. The window symbol comes with too many automated features that just make it a pain to deal with. 6015 Window Creation b-1 MODIFIED.zip

Away from my computer but if I remember rhe correct path, it's... Edit>Default Settings>Cabinet>General Cabinet...uncheck Automatic Fillers.

Alex, haven't had a chance to make any kind of video yet, but I did get a chance to open your plan and Chopsaw was correct. You skipped the last half of Step 4...under Symbol Category select Window. Having said that, you CAN use the symbol as-is if you apply a material region to both sides of you wall (in elevation views) that are the same size and shape as you window RO, set them to Cut Finish Layer Of Parent Object, put them on their own layer, and turn that layer off. Then Build Framing for that wall, manually modify it as necessary, and check Retain Wall Framing. You might also want to manually place a CAD block for that window. Here's a very rough idea of what I'm talking about using your plan. Note how I made the window schedule work by using a place holder wall and window off to the side and just dragging the window label over. Also, just FYI... I didn't spend the time to actually get the wall framing correct, just deleted the necessary studs to give you the rough idea. If there's one thing I would probably do differently it would be to create a CAD block of the plan view associated with the original window before converting to symbol and then use that instead of using the automatically created CAD block that I used. BYRONE AS BUILT 2 (MODIFIED).zip

I've personally done that type of thing by building a roof for the lower layers and then building another higher roof on top of that one for the upper layers. Can be done fairly quickly using Copy/Paste In Place and/or Transform/Replicate.

They are all a bit of a hassle and there is a lot of manual work no matter what you do, but bear in mind that there are several different methods a person can use to deal with the little patch area created by the rectangular window hole including... -Simply patching with polyline solids -Using a symbol that is NOT set as a window, using material regions to cut holes in the wall, and manually editing framing. -Using polyline solids for the exterior wall layers. -Using multiple thinner walls and using material regions to cut holes in the walls used for your finish layers. - Maybe using a no room definition wall for the patch. ...the list could probably go on. I'll try to make a video if I can find a little spare time.

Just about to head out the door, but in brief... No, a window symbol is not a collection of 3D solids (although it can be), a symbol in Chief is more or less the equivalent of what I understand Revit families to be. The way as person would create a window symbol in this particular instance (what I would do anyway): 1. Place the window in a wall (probably easiest to do in a blank plan). 2. Use the Delete Surface tool to delete everything except the window (probably easiest to do in an elevation view which produces less surfaces to deal with). 3. Tools>Symbol>Convert to Symbol 4. Check Add To Library and Under Symbol Category select Window. If you realize additional surfaces need to be deleted, just place the window in a blank plan and delete additional surfaces as necessary (could be done in an elevation view or a perspective view). That should at least get you started.

Yep. I thing they've probably been feeling the need to compensate since, oh I don't know, around January 3, 1959

I'm sorry, I have to admit that I didn't watch the video I just opened the plan, so you may have explained just fine. Anyway, I see what you're saying now. Delete everything, draw 4 walls and that setting is automatically checked for some reason. Draw 4 more walls off to the side though and they build correctly. I agree, the plan has become corrupted one way or another. EDIT: After reading Glenn's explanation a little later in the thread I realize that "corrupted" is not the right word. The plan has just become affected by your previous room settings (i.e. the room settings stick even after the room has been deleted). Read Glenn's explanation for why this behavior exists. The sticky settings make good sense to me now that I understand the reasoning.

To clarify what Joey is saying, that label size is controlled via the layer settings. Specifically, the Roofs, Labels layer...

Larry, your defaults are fine. The problem is that the 1st floor room is set to Monolithic Slab Foundation. You must have checked that by accident at some point. And in my opinion, the fact that the room settings can override the foundation settings is a very good thing. It allows for us to use auto foundations and have different foundation types in different areas. Not non-intuitive at all IMO.

I would just make one using an image.

There's actually a lot more weird things than that going on with that plan. I noticed that setting as well, but the thing is you can get the attic walls to build correctly even with that setting. I don't recall the exact situation where this happened, but in addition to the faulty attic walls, the persistent attic walls, and the behaviors you, Jerry, and some of the others mentioned, I had dbx's that were responding incorrectly as well. Did you try building a normal structure with normal wall settings and then auto building the roof? Also, try copying and pasting that plan to a blank plan and visa versa. Very strange things indeed. Oh ya, in my experiments, one other thing that fixed the roofs for me in at least one instance (don't remember if it was the existing roof or the one I added)...using Edit Area and rotating the plan.

Look in the Project Browser>CAD Details and I believe you'll probably find what you're looking for.

Sorry Perry, I think you're wrong and that you're giving bad advice this time. You're claiming something is fixed when its not and therefore the underlying issue will never get addressed. The last thing I want is bugs hanging around because a user is told that the problem is in the settings when its not. Granted his settings may not be right, but they're not the cause of this particular issue. Not sure you actually read my earlier response or not, but all you essentially have to do is open and close the attic wall dbx and the problem goes away as well. Also note what happens with auto roofs and what happens with attic walls when you delete the roof. Regardless of how it can be fixed, I believe there is definitely something wrong with that plan and it should be sent in to tech support.

Do you look at the pic I posted? That was an auto roof in your supposedly fixed plan. I'm usually the guy claiming its user error and that there's no problem when done properly but I'm pretty certain you are mistaken and that this plan is buggy.

All design flaws and general construction critiques aside, it only takes a matter of seconds to seemingly "fix" the issue at hand but the plan is still broken. Even in your fixed plan look what happens when you build a wood structure off to the side and automatically build the roof... Please send your plan in to tech support Mark.

No offense, but as a builder and designer I would strongly recommend you reconsider that roof design entirely.

I thought you were in pretty good hands here so I wasn't chiming in, but curiosity got the better of me after I read Larry's response so I decided to take a look at your plan. I actually spent quite a bit of time with it and I can't seem to figure out why its misbehaving either. Its very strange and I think you should report it to tech support. I can tell you this...All I have to do to fix the attic walls is open them (easiest to just go to attic floor and group select in plan view), click okay, and then click yes at the prompt and all is well. One other interesting side note that might help tech support figure out what's going on. If you delete the roof, there are still some very persisitent attic walls that stick around for some reason. They're nearly impossible to delete. Seems very buggy to me.

How could it get any quicker? Its just a window with the proper settings.