Manual Wall Intersection Cleanups

[PitMan71]

It would be helpful to be able to manually edit wall intersection cleanups. In some instances, the automatic cleanups result in a look on the plans that doesn't look right. For me this is particularly an issue in a block up foundation where I manually draw interior grade beams or thickened slab. When they intersect a corner where there is a block corner the block corner which I don't want disturbed tries to cleanup with the interior grade beam leaving an undesirable look on the foundation plan. I have opted to just draw the grade beams using lines so there is no interaction. My guess is a cleanup priority that could be assigned to the wall objects where multiples meet at the same intersection. OR maybe a higher priority assigned to walls you want to cleanup normally where a lower priority wall would be ignored or focused on less.

[JKEdmo]

3 hours ago, PitMan71 said:

cleanup priority

Autocad Architecture has wall cleanup overrides and works exactly like this.  It is a very useful feature.

 

I'm hopeful the Chief programmers can work their magic and add this option!

 

 

[ComputerMaster86]

Doesn't the "Edit Wall Layer Intersections" edit toolbar tool do what you are asking?  I am not sure if it does anything for Grade beams at the wall.  It's not perfect but, I have used this tool several times to manually clean-up wall intersections.

 

 

 

[PitMan71]

2 hours ago, ComputerMaster86 said:

Doesn't the "Edit Wall Layer Intersections" edit toolbar tool do what you are asking? 

Lance.... Thanks for your response.... I have tried using that feature and not had any luck using with my foundation walls...... Either it corrects it and later reverts back OR it doesn't change anything. I will say this feature has been useful in siding and brick walls.

[Dermot]

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I have tried using that feature and not had any luck using with my foundation walls...... Either it corrects it and later reverts back OR it doesn't change anything. 

 

 

Please note that if you rebuild your foundation then any manual changes you have made will need to be redone.

 

For any other cases, please send us a bug report for any situations that work the way you are describing.  Please include a plan file that demonstrates the situation along with clear steps indicating what you did and the results you are seeing.

 

[JKEdmo]

4 hours ago, ComputerMaster86 said:

Doesn't the "Edit Wall Layer Intersections" edit toolbar tool do what you are asking? 

 

Now that I think about it, I suspect what the OP was getting at is that the Chief tool can be fussy.  You drag wall layers to where you want them and then others can suddenly spring back into their original position.  That's my experience -- but I'll admit maybe I'm not using the tool correctly.  The Autocad tool I mentioned is "sticky."  The manual cleanups you make are permanent and truly override the automatic wall layer merging.  Allows for better fine tuning. 

[tundra_dweller]

3 hours ago, JKEdmo said:

You drag wall layers to where you want them and then others can suddenly spring back into their original position.

This has been my experience as well, can be frustrating.

[ComputerMaster86]

14 hours ago, JKEdmo said:

 

Now that I think about it, I suspect what the OP was getting at is that the Chief tool can be fussy.  You drag wall layers to where you want them and then others can suddenly spring back into their original position.  That's my experience -- but I'll admit maybe I'm not using the tool correctly.  The Autocad tool I mentioned is "sticky."  The manual cleanups you make are permanent and truly override the automatic wall layer merging.  Allows for better fine tuning. 

 

I have witnessed that several times in the past and would have to say the tool is far from perfect.   It seems manual adjustments don't never want to stay.  I struggle with complex roof/wall intersection points and wish for X18 chief could bring some improvements to that area.

[Larry_Sweeney]

Yes, I get so frustrated with this tool at times. I especially have problems when I have and 45-degree exterior corner with an interior wall attaching to it right at the corner. When (and if) I finally get it right, I do a few more operations to the plan and all of sudden I notice it has changed. Other times, I might close the plan at the end of the day and upon opening it back up the next morning I will notice it has changed. Now having one corner like this in a plan is bad enough but having half a dozen or more 45-degree corners can make for a "bad hair day". 

[PitMan71]

UPDATE: Submitted to tech support. Here is my submission:

NOTE: Scrolll all the way down for response from Support.
 

Opening this ticket at the request of Dermot Dempsey who commented on a suggestion thread.

Basically it would be nice to have a way to disable wall cleanup directive on walls in certain instances where there are multiple wall object converging into one location. Such that the intersection cleans up with selected walls in said group and ignores others which is some cases can change the plan display of the intersection in an unintentional way. 

In this case I have attached a plan with a mock up foundation plan illustrating this. The intended outcome is to have a block up slab with grade beams (16"w x 16"deep in my case) under load bearing walls or in locations where a tie beam is needed. SO I just draw them on the foundation using the foundation wall tool. The problem is when I draw a footing centered on a wall intersects the 90 degree intersection of the block up wall it changes the intended look of the lower spread footing for the block wall because it attempts to cleanup even though the wall types are different. In real life the grade beam will just be poured and die off into the exterior block wall. 

A couple of thoughts here....
1. It would be nice to have be able to draw the grade beam footing as a wall object with the desired width and depth such that it could also contain the included material information for the footing ie, rebar, etc.

2. Wall directives - It would also be helpful to prioritize wall clean ups such that an intersection ignores or gives less attention to certain walls in that intersection. This would be helpful when wall intersections are close together but not all intersect AND where you might want a certain framing look on a wall like a bump out or for whatever reason you want a wall to extend 2"-4" past the wall intersection to create a recessed door look. ointment such cases you would override a clean up saying I intended for this wall to stick out like this. Truth is a lot of builders have situations like this to give some detail and create a certain look that cost little.

I will say that these things do not diminish Chief or your hard work in any way. Chief is solid and the best I have used..... These are just some nuances I have run into that might be worth a look.

Thanks for taking the time to consider these things.

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Thank you so much for this Feature Request.

I'm going to send this request to my Development Staff, and I want to make sure I have a good example of walls that converge, in the manner you describe.

In the attached image, you can see an area of the foundation I have circled. Is this a good example of where multiple walls converge in one location?

Thank you 
-Nigel

FoundationTest.plan.zip

[SHCanada2]

On 7/11/2025 at 10:54 AM, JKEdmo said:

I suspect what the OP was getting at is that the Chief tool can be fussy.  You drag wall layers to where you want them and then others can suddenly spring back into their original position.  That's my experience

my experience as well