HumbleChief Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, jasonn1234 said: can't one just download the sample plan, and see how long the camera Scott was using takes? My RTRT takes a few seconds for my plans...granted my plans are simple but still if one can do the sample plan in the time Scott did it, and one cannot do their own plan in a similar time, then it would point to something in the plan. It seems to me one would confirm the sample plan behavior,, and if it is the same as Scott, contact tech support on one's own plan Yeah it should be that simple but...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Yes the View OPENS in a few seconds as stated in the Video perhaps even less with a 3080 or higher, that it not the same as being Crisp and Clean, i.e. near "Photo Realistic", no Fire Flies etc, as KGS expects, that takes thousands of Samples and is 1 - 2 mins or even longer, even on a 3080Ti, I'd hate to think what today's Gamers would be saying if things were this slow in any modern Game 3D engine..... for example Unreal 4 ( or 5 now ) is beautiful. * just as a note ... doing some recent testing, my 3080Ti is about 50% faster than my Laptop's 2070s in the same plan / Camera / No# of samples etc, however the Final Image is NO different. The 1st thing I noticed in the X14's What's New Presentation was no mention whatsoever of Improvements to the Astral 3D Engine..... I had my fingers crossed X14 would fix some of the Issues I have in X13, but sadly no, and the last Update to x13 has even brought back the (Surface?) Triangles in Layout Boxes too so I expect to see them in X14 as well. This is from today....in X13 ......... Layout Elevation Camera I have also been complaining about the "graininess" since we got RTRT, 1st thing I noticed in the Video mentioned above actually, I was disappointed then and still am having spent thousands on dollars on new Hardware and in some cases the OpenGL in X12 looked better...... it has not improved since Day 1, so as you can imagine I can see some of this from KGS's point of View. And I think everyone here is well aware of Chief's "Memory Leak(s)" and the need to shutdown and restart etc when things "get weird", so conspiracy theories aside some of what is said above is quite true. M. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPDesign Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 21 hours ago, HumbleChief said: Nice work Michael... Thank you Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 12:00 AM, kgschlosser said: With Nvidia graphics that is the RT Cores. That is the reason why I do not see my car use go over 50%. That's because DXR is not able to use the card to it's potential Its the RT cores plus tensor cores and DXR does use both. What did you mean by this? On 4/20/2022 at 12:00 AM, kgschlosser said: to update roof planes for things like changes to the gutters Not sure what you mean, my roof planes are updated 100% of the time when I change a gutter. I could show a video, you may need to call in to tech support if yours are not On 4/20/2022 at 12:00 AM, kgschlosser said: "low end laptop" render that fast using the version of x13 that is for sale, It's impossible You're really missing a lot of crucial information to this statement. It takes a graphics card 5 times as long to pull a 1000 samples on a shower vs an open room with no objects involved. This comes down to the skill of the technician and their understanding of rendering. If you had seen the link I provided earlier you would say that I raytrace scenes very quickly on a low end laptop. On 4/20/2022 at 12:00 AM, kgschlosser said: Just to let you know I am a programmer/software engineer so I know how the code in chief is written. DXR does not use the Nvidia specific ray tracing functions from the OptiX SDK but instead uses a software based shader approach which doesn't use the RT cores in the card. I know this because of the DLL's that are loaded and not 1 function from the OptiX SDK are seen in any of the DLLs that have been loaded. The Nvidia OptiX API/SDK which is the way to utilize ray tracing with Nvidia adapters has been around since 2009. So there is no excuse as to why it is not being used. The ATI API has been around for a similar length of time as well... This is exceedingly frustrating because of the amount of time it is going to take to learn a new piece of software and there is slim pickings as far as software goes for stick built residential. Oh and after 30000 samples the renderings are still grainy They are better then when it is set to 20000 and that is better then set to 10000 so it is still improving the image at 30000 samples Just going to offer this up again, as stated previously, their is a denoiser at play when you EXPORT your image. It will not occur otherwise. Set your target sample rate, then use File/Export/Image/ and you will see for yourself that there is in fact a denoiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 7:36 PM, Kbird1 said: I have also been complaining about the "graininess" since we got RTRT, 1st thing I noticed in the Video mentioned above actually, I was disappointed then and still am having spent thousands on dollars on new Hardware and in some cases the OpenGL in X12 looked better...... it has not improved since Day 1 And here's one for the Happy little down-voter here on the Forum , 2500 samples and not worth showing the Client...... thought I'd Zoom in to just to see if any better and no...... Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Kbird1 said: And here's one for the Happy little down voter here on the Forum 2500 samples and not worth showing the Client...... Man that is bad. What does tech support say/suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/22/2022 at 11:11 AM, HumbleChief said: Man that is bad. What does tech support say/suggest? Sorry was generating the Close-up above and didn't see your post ......haven't got as far as TS yet but suspect they will blame my lighting or the Sun intensity etc..... I think I have enough lights for the scene ---- all set to 300 lumen mind for subdued even lighting .... but still playing ..... so much for the Cabinet Company "Selling the Job" tomorrow at the Client Meeting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Cleaner from a distance anyway......after 10,000 samples with the 3080Ti screaming for mercy for 7 mins or so ....bonus my Office is nice and warm now too..... But zoomed in not so much.......... Drywall has always been bad , from the start , perhaps we still don't have real PBR Materials in Chief ? I am not sure.... but am surprised the Cabinet Hardware is so "grainy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kbird1 said: Cleaner from a distance anyway......after 10,000 samples with the 3080Ti screaming for mercy for 7 mins or so ... So you're saying perhaps not "Real Time"? Real Time Definition noun COMPUTING relating to a system in which input data is processed within milliseconds so that it is available virtually immediately as feedback, e.g., in a missile guidance or airline booking system. "real-time signal processing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: So you're saying perhaps not "Real Time"? The View Opens "instantly" on the 3080Ti, but it is far from "Photo Realistic" as I think I have now seen in some of Chief advertising... * Still worth getting that 3070Ti Larry and only 1/2 the cost (now) of a 3080 Ti.... go on.... ya know ya wanta.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Kbird1 said: * Still worth getting that 3070Ti Larry and only 1/2 the cost (now) of a 3080 Ti.... go on.... ya know ya wanta.... Oh I REALLY do. Don't need it, can't use it but I really wanta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Oh I REALLY do. Don't need it, can't use it but I really wanta... Watch ya back the RED SMARTIES are being dropped again with free abandonment at the moment M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Kbird1 said: And here's one for the Happy little down-voter here on the Forum , 2500 samples and not worth showing the Client...... thought I'd Zoom in to just to see if any better and no...... Mick. Can you post your plan with materials please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Winsor Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Kbird1 said: Still worth getting that 3070Ti Larry and only 1/2 the cost (now) of a 3080 Ti.... go on.... ya know ya wanta.... They aren't even taking orders again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Rich_Winsor said: They aren't even taking orders again. It was the XC Ultra that was On Sale but it looks as though you are right.....it is gone off the Restock Sale Page too. Newegg had the same price but is also sold out now.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I know that the RTRT views actually Print much better than they look on the computer screen, have you tried to actually print to "PDF". Not sure but it works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said: I know that the RTRT views actually Print much better than they look on the computer screen, have you tried to actually print to "PDF". Not sure but it works for me. I typically don't use Live View in Layout as the PDF Size EXPLODES exponentially, a recent example was 22.3mb without and 52.7mb with , ( so it can't be emailed any longer) but you are correct , the Views in PDF do look nicer even STD View with Lines as in the example above looked nicer than in Layout. The above was some Preset Cameras for Client Views that could be opened 1 by 1 for Viewing but IMHO.... ASTRAL 3D and RTRT just ain't there yet. M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Kbird1 said: I typically don't use Live View in Layout as the PDF Size EXPLODES exponentially, a recent example was 22.3mb without and 52.7mb with , ( so it can't be emailed any longer) but you are correct , the Views in PDF do look nicer even STD View with Lines as in the example above looked nicer than in Layout. The above was some Preset Cameras for Client Views that could be opened 1 by 1 for Viewing but IMHO.... ASTRAL 3D and RTRT just ain't there yet. M. I keep everything live except RTRT of course ,then you have to send a picture view, and not live, I wish we could send a live view, right now it does not turn out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renerabbitt Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/23/2022 at 9:03 AM, Kbird1 said: or Viewing but IMHO.... ASTRAL 3D and RTRT just ain't there yet. Would you mind posting your plan with material files to check out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 On 4/22/2022 at 9:14 PM, Rich_Winsor said: They aren't even taking orders again. The FTW3 model is back in Stock Rich but is not that price. https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/34305-nvidia-and-amd-gpu-prices-continue-to-plummet/?do=findComment&comment=267997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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