MarkMc

@kwhitt Yes disabling refractions works about the same as changing the material from glass to just transparent. However the original rendering sample I posted that was inside a shower, with glass door with refraction ON. There is a lot less light going on there and no symbol issues. You're card will work, as Kbird pointed out it will behave similar to a 2070 -a 3000 series card will be 3 to 5 times as fast. (my 3070 is about 5xs as fast as the laptop 2070S which would about match a 2060 S Desktop) Just curious here Have you tried to export image of that rendering? How long is it taking? Do you know which resources are being used if it takes a realistic amount of time. On my desktop I forced close after 20+ minutes .

Can always use PBR with RT turned off. IMO it's still a lot easier, and way faster than CPU RT. Hey, Rene was kind enough to do a session with me on Thea (which I keep in the closet) just before PBR landed. So I understand just how good he is. That said I managed to work out RTRT to my satisfaction and I am not remotely close to his level. For that matter I've tried all of the freebie renders that have been posted in recent years, and did a spin with my Thea back in the day. I find this easier than all of those but then as noted above, I'm not all that good (or patient). Yeah maybe I did invest a little more time in this than those because I was committed to do so.

Yeah tech is wrong if they say it doesn't matter. Agreed and Scott missed it in his presentation. I asked him why it was off and he said no reason. IMO it should be on by default. Which is what I have done to my template defaults to make life simpler. NOTE that if you get a plan from someone with RTRT camera(s), edit camera in project browser to see what settings are for camera and the rendering technique before opening the view. I'm guessing you have built this to work with an outside render. If you want to render in Chief ya gotta do it Chiefs way. my nickel...

Great stuff Rene. Note to check cap live samples or the GPU keeps running

See number 4 above- that is inside a symbol.

Glass used in image I posted is standard tempered glass with color changed and an almost OOB rendering technique- other than Sun turned down, day time back ground turned down, cap live samples (you musta been asleep for that one Mick). Not also that is an OOB glass wall and glass door-(see below) Simply turning off refraction in rendering technique works with what you have now. screenshot at 30 seconds. Things in your plan that may or may not contribute to the problem Extra materials defined in both the wall and the door I avoid using railing walls for showers in general. I prefer to start with a glass wall, change to pony wall and adjust height the sides of the shower enclosure don't go to the ceiling allowing light to come into the area creating reflections on the inside of the glass. This can be challenging to address in the design as it is-that's one for Rene you have a interior fixture symbol sitting on the top of the entire enclosure. This can alter how light is handled. As it is now your camera is not only inside a room but inside a symbol. There is something weird about your mirrors. The materials for that are odd and perspective overview shows them partly set inside the fixture they are in. IMO this is NOT a Chief problem. I believe the biggest issues are 4 and 5. Now I do have one plan that I've lots of light leaks on intriors form but that model has horrible wall definitions and gaps where the room meets the walls, it's just that kind of structure. The leaks only appear at the gaps though, none of the issues Mick is showing once settings and model are goo. (I ended up floating extra roofs over it for interior shots) I would add that something, textures or symbols are as Mick points out wreaking havoc. For the render to release the GPU takes an enormous amount of time. Do NOT attempt to export this image. I tested that and forced chief to close after 20 minutes. You would be better off with a CPU RT, maybe. I've tested plans with an 150 custom symbols, dozens of custom textures and almost a hundred lights that did not take anywhere near the amount of time this takes to resolve. I don't think I've had anything over 6 or 7 minutes, most export image between 30 seconds and 2 minutes.

I grabbed a job that just came that I knew had a bath in it, added one mirror and took a really quick shot from inside the shower-both mirrors show reflections. This is on a 3070, zero effort put into this.

Mmm, could be. I tried in both Bluebeam and TurboPDF (which is Foxit) and both are full pdf programs, not just readers.

Odd, wonder why not for me? maybe post the layout and plan? I tried this in both vector and standard of ortho overview and tried at two scales

It only happens for me when printing directly from a view in plan, sent to layout eliminates the issue. Both images using built in PDF printer in X12.

Yes for a while now, updated signature. I had also tested it on my older Sager 17" w/ 6700k, 980m w/8GB, 32 ram. Just no real time ray trace. I ordered the Evoc (for $2500 comparable same now with a 3070) end of summer to use on 13. That was before 3000 cards were avaialble on laptops. Eventually I decided that for the amount of RTRT I need to do a 3000 card was in order. I had that built by AVA beginning of March for 3K; talked with salesman to ensure availability of parts but had decided ahead of time on a 3070. I'm happy. Just helped a client order a somewhat similar system but a Z590, i5 11600K (matches my i7 in use), a different 3070 and slightly lesser MOBO but most of the rest the same for $2600. Either of us could have done comparable Ryzen machines. I'd agree with that. If I were getting a lappie today I'd get that or a 3070. Unlike Mick I'm quite happy with RTRT but think I've worked with it more ?:-) Still an occasional quirk but overall pleased with it and with both machines.

The only Ti card I would consider is a 3060, definitely not a 3070 or 80 Ti, especially in a laptop. I've not yet seen either of my cards use more than 60% of the video memory. The 3070 and 3080 Ti draw more power/heat, are not well regarded, and offer little performance increase in Chief. (even gamers are avoiding.) Similarly unless using some other programs an i( won't get you any better performance in X13 (and the 112th gen i( offers little) Personally I'd stick with 32GB ram as I've never been close to maxing that out and I run a lot of stuff at once. Same goes for the Killer card (now owned by INtel) I disabled that last one I had and won't be bothering again. OTOH I would look into having the machine tooled in particular getting cooling performance upgraded. I also like to get some sort of minimum backlight bleed on laptops-not perfect but better. Finally note that each maker may list a particular GPU but the actual power allowed for it varies from brand to brand so a 3070 in one is not the same as a 3070 in another.

First off the 19 mm setting is hardcoded into cabinets (3/4" us) While you can change ti for the accessory panel Chief will always, include that dimension for where a sides meet. You can cheat doors to not resize but the problem arises with cabinet boxes.. That said there are things that can be done with a goo amount of work, and yes there is a feature in X13 that makes it a little easier in that you can set sides, back, bottom to NONE.(see below) But even then you will find there are things you add that don't look right because of the 19 MM setting. Picture below is left side is a cabinet and adjusted to similar size you are after. If this was made with a base cabinet then you could have no top but since what I had laying around was done with a wall cabinet. Plan attached for you to see what you're up against that way. Picture on the right was a quickie using glass walls and a Fixture interior set to insert into wall. Then that was converted to a door. Both symbols need some work I started with a custom countertop with molding which is converted to fixture interior symbol. looked through the Kohler that Ryan suggested catalog and don't see that as being very helpful here. IF I wanted to have the option of changing the dimensions of the molding pieces often, and configuring different sizes. I would keep a file around with the custom countertop in it to change the thicknesses there and then convert to new symbol. Then you have options to assemble those any way you like. Now as to X13. Here I took the same symbol, imported it, converted to a cabinet door. Tall cabinet, set bottom, top and back to NONE. Sides are side panel inset using that cabinet door symbol, front uses the same symbol. It is also possible to change a shower pan for use in the cabinet. This does allow you to alter the size of the shower unit, the pan can be a tad tricky (look around for other things I've posted in the past in tips, symbols and Q A for that) To change the edge moldings you will need to generate new symbols but using the countertop method that is really fast. Zip with all three plans attached. (I hope Glass w al frame cab_12.zip

I'd check is that anit-aliasing is being used in your GPU that Chief is using it AND that your browser is also using the video card with same settings.

Screen shots taken on the 2k monitor-screen shot of your forum post- what I see is the anti-aliasing is not doing it's job Next is a screen shot from your viewer linked model taken on the 2K in windows, (rendering technique selected, view shadows and anti-aliasing) Browser used is Firefox. then another where I went in and adjusted all the Stucco 1 materials to be the same then merged them (your plan materials really need some housekeeping) then exported model to chief viewer (windows) No difference Finally here is a link to the viewer file used for the last image. https://3d-viewer.chiefarchitect.com/go?share=507574002244705 Wonder if the web browser matters?

Note that a png used as a material will not show in vector views .

I do a lot of baths and knew I'd done this before though didn't remember how. Actually for expediency I did start with the Straight Glass Pony wall from the drop down and tried a custom niche symbol (fixture interior inserts into wall)... but that didn't work. Then realized that I almost always start with just glass walls and convert what is needed to a pony walls which I find easier to get what I want (like a curb at the door). Did that and Bob's yer uncle

Start with a full glass wall, change to a pony wall, adjust height. Then a niche works.

I'm familiar with both programs; have not used 2020 since V9 but what matters has not changed. Short answer is NO for 3D, Model, Elevations-NO. What can be done- but takes some set up. Is IF You set up Chief to have labels that match the brand of cabinets they are using (this is a bit of a challenge but quite doable from personal experience) Create a schedule in Chief Export that as spreadsheet, csv, or copy paste to a spreadsheet. They open an item list in 2020 -copy label from your export and paste in item list, adjust quantities as needed Moldings and trim will be best done manually All that said IF the brand they use has an online ordering system, extremely common, it is likely easier and certainly better to do steps 1-3 and then input to that. EDIT- I should have said that at that point, once you've worked out steps 1-3 (and included cabinet mods) there is no point in continuing with 2020. IF there is not an on line ordering system then a spreadsheet template that matches the brands order form can be used. With that method individual prices are looked up in a PDF catalog. The spreadsheet can be set up to do final pricing though so the entire process is still very quick. Automatic lookup of pricing is more difficult and not likely worth the effort since no MFG I know of makes it available in any searchable format like CSV.

The only way to prevent editing is to change the security of the PDF adding a password. Even then there are programs that will remove restrictions to allow changes.

I don't understand? Using Chief's built in PDF printer produces a document with only one layer. I just checked again in Bluebeam PDF review which will show me layers in PDFs and has a flatten function. I only use the flatten function after I have made notations to a document so that they can't be changed. I wish CA would produce a PDF with layers, I can't even print with BlueBeam from Chief and get layers. What am I missing?

Maybe has to do with the GPU? OK here. (though I normally have been using a setting of 2)

Did you manage to get that to work?

I did.