GeneDavis

I did the splayed wall surround for a basement window in an ICF wall. Set the window depth to 4-9/16", created an outer ICF wall at 4-9/16" total thickness, an inner, broke walls and did the double wall work, did a molding for the splay, only have the molding as my interior casing, but I have an unwanted lintel or something that I cannot delete. In section view it is on the inside face of the wall and also against the outside face of the inner wall. File attached. It is in the floor 0 bedroom at plan top left. Hickey SBR hipped roof.zip

Thanks! I'm all set.

I have a plan with the garage at the customer-specified 25 degree angle with the house. It was not easy to draw, because I don't understand how to get angle snapping working for me. I want snapping for walls and camera section views, and while I have added 12.5 and 25 as additional angles, nothing snaps to those.

And I need a fix. Pic attached, also file. The camera is looking up to the ceiling above the entry, where a wall I manually adjusted for height has an attic wall above (I made it invisible) but it cuts away the ceiling. Hickey SBR hipped roof.zip

Had you closed the Chief file before zipping?

A search here got me nada.

Into Google Sheets?

It is a minor little thing in the whole scheme of building, but the curvature generally specified in a section view of eaves such as this, at least in the few plan-sets that I have encountered (likely not drawn in Chief but instead in Revit or AutoCad) dimension it out as a.) tangent to the upper slope, b.) clearly showing the point of tangency, and c.) the radius of the curve. And that radius is always shown to the top of the rafter. The curve follows and is the sawn top edge of that rafter. But Chief does not do the curve that way. The curve begins at top end at the top of the rafter, but it begins to deviate away from the rafter immediately as it moves downslope, and it ends precisely at the tip, the outboard top tip, of the fascia. So for Chief, two other things come into play in developing the curve. The thickness of the sheathing, and the thickness of the fascia. So if I do a section of the eave for con docs, annotated for building, I show, as the Revit- or ACAD-user has done in the detail shown here, the overhang reach, the point of tangency at the building line, and the radius of the curve, with my callout arrow pointing clearly to the rafter top. To make a pattern, the cutter will either loft it out on the floor with a beam compass and some straightedges, or he might use his BuildCalc phone app to get a half dozen chord points and then draw it using a thin rip flex stick, and that'll be it. But it won't be the actual curve Chief develops for the 3D model. Note in the attached pic, no fascia height is given. Plate height, yes. Heel height, yes, because the slope (4.5") and framing (2x12) is given. But all that is there is radius and reach. Not my drawing. And I can tell this is a copied-in CAD detail from something the architect must have done previously. See the leftover note about "existing second floor?" This is a new build, and there is no second floor.

Been there done that, but when I get the o'hang to curve to the 108 radius, the top angle does not match that of the abutting roof above, and I believe that for true tangency, it should. That is why I want to be able to spec the overhang by ridge and radius and let the rest calculate. Here is the plan. Curved roof edge study.plan

Followup. Shouldn't one be able to lock the ridge, specify a radius and top angle, and let the roof build to whatever bottom angle and fascia height gets determined by the program? I cannot get it to work.

For all-stone or framed, the application is the same. Two walls, the furred one inside is the one with the splayed treatment, done with the moldings. Try it with an outer wall, one main layer, stone, 8 inches thick. Inner wall that smacks up to it, one main layer, all stone, 16 inches thick. Pass-thru on the inner wall, centered on your window, raise its head and lower your sill as needed, adjust width as you want, uncheck all for the pass-thru so there is no frame, no casing, etc., and then do the molding work. Have you tried it? CAD detail from view will be your friend to get those molding lines exactly right. Show us your results!

Furred wall inside, no casings, no sill, no lintel, 3D molding to emulate angled wall returns all around. Multiple moldings if you want different angles at head and sill than at sides. It is a thing sometimes done when walls are ICF. You build the ICF wall with the window opening larger than the window, maybe 12 inches all sides. You frame inside that opening for the smaller window, with 2x6 framing. Then detail out with framing for the angled-in wall returns, and sheetrock all. Castle-like, no?

I am pulling my hair out trying to get a little test plan to give me some roofing numbers. I've a 4.5:12 roof that gets a 30" overhang that flares with a 9' radius, point of tangency at the building line. The angle of the 4.5 roof is 20.556045°. Am unable to get the curved roof to rotate at its ridge line while keeping the required radius. But the plan I want to apply my numbers to has curved flares everywhere so I was able to get it to work before. What am I doing wrong right now? We should be able to examine the main roof's specs to get its angle in degrees, copy that, go to the flare roof overhang, lock its ridge top height (the point of join, the point of tangency), set the radius (which I want to fix at 108" and Chief wants to call negative 108), and have the roof build. It rotates about that specified and locked ridge height. But it won't build and hold the radius and top angle. Why not? An interesting thing about these is that when you get it working right, the sequence of specs so your curved reachout is good, you then have to manually go in and lower the roof to have its top edge match the roof it is to join.

Here are two snips from the WindsorOne catalog's Craftsman section, showing the lintel/casing intersect and that for the sill/apron under the casing. To get that look in 3D Chief, you will create your own molding profiles, one for the lintel consisting of the SINGLE OUTLINE of the stack of the crown, the board, and the bullnose piece. Use it in your default defining the extend as zero. Then examine it in 3D or elevation and play with the extend to get what you want. For the sill, create another custom molding consisting again of the SINGLE OUTLINE of the stack of the sill, the scotia, and the apron, making sure the sill's inside edge is the same as where the back of the apron board is. Chief does not do a stool that reaches into the window. When you use this, you will spec an extend of zero and a wrap. We do this creating custom moldings that emulate multi-piece stacks because a.) Chief does not have molding stacking for window trim, and b.) if we want an apron, we prefer to have control of its appearance.

I closed the file so maybe it can be opened. Went ahead after failing with the moldings-as-fascia thing in the roof dialog for the curved sections, and used 3D moldings instead. But if you are going to look at the model, see about why I have the vertical line showing in elevation on the attic wall at front (plan LEFT) elevation. Thanks.

Here is the plan file and I hope it works because I cannot figure out how Dropbox is working since I used it long ago. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f3yzk0yxbmnzxox/AADR06eprYCqGitCBy0_CtJ0a?dl=0 Both gables, front and rear, have a flared-out radius joining a roof return, and I am unable to get a successful frieze molding set to work. It may take a 3D molding to do it, something I have not tried.

Thanks! I tried them all so I know how each works. The canopy is a roof, a molding, a slab, a material region, and the p'line solids.

I tried it and nothing I tried worked. The brackets need holes to look like timber work. Do holes only work for the other elements like walls, etc? Is this a job for Mr Boolean with whom I am not acquainted?

The degree setting came from me doing a workout in 2D CAD to examine points of tangency. And you really need pitch in degrees when working with curved roofs if you want them tangent to the roofs they join.

I'd like to help a client built some difficult roof returns, by building full sized models that can be used at job time to cut and install framing parts. It is a real 3D challenge. A center gable is pitched at 11.25 and hipped wings at L and R are recessed back a foot or so. Specified on the drawings is the radius roof overhang at the hipped roof edges, but nothing is called out for the returns that are shown in elevation. I suspect the plans were done in Revit. The section on the architect's section detail call out the curve for the flare as 108" radius with point of tangency where the 4.5 pitch roof meets the building line. Nothing further is said about what to do for the gable returns, which in my opinion are the key signature architectural feature of the building. Pics attached here show the Revit-drawn elevation of the return, where I am in Chief with it, and a micro-plan to focus just on the geometry. The software goes nuts when I try to join these at hips and valleys. Equal-equal is OK, but the program produces weird results for the irregulars. As with returns of this type, fascia height is a constant. I know that if the "hip" could be generated, it would not be linear in plan view. It is a curve, and not a circular segment. How these things get built is a mystery to me. Maybe shipbuilders are better equipped mentally to handle it, because curve fairing is necessary, I think. I know nothing about Chief solids, and all the boolean stuff that goes with it. Maybe Chief solids can generate the curve and I can plot it, then get busy with the band saw. Curved roof edge study.plan

It's OK but I cannot control the line color. Where is the setting?

Not sure what software was used, but it's an interesting effect. Helps the client focus purely on the view one will see from the space. Need the right pics, though. I have seen people build a platform where their proposed principal views will be from, to get a sense of what is planned.

I knew it was something simple. And I get to use my middle finger! Thanks.

I got a big plan set to use in working up some structure and find the ways to get the job built. There are links built into the .pdf, such that when looking at a floor plan with elevation callouts, a click on the callout takes you to the page where the elevation is displayed. Which version of Adobe does this?

I can't seem to succeed. What is the trick?