Alaskan_Son

I know I might be sounding harsh, but it’s totally clear that you either don’t understand the geometry very well yourself, or that you don’t know how to use the tools properly. I can both draw and maintain every single thing you’ve described completely in chief, without any problem whatsoever. The fact you mentioned having to go into “engineering, CAD” to figure out what you needed makes it clear that you don’t know how to use the basic tools Here are a few tools and methods you really might want to familiarize yourself with: 1. Making sure that you were selecting the appropriate wall before changing a dimension. 2. Making sure you are activating the correct Move/Resize mode when actually clicking on a dimension to change it. 3. Making sure to select the appropriate Lock Setting when changing a length in an object’s dialog box. 4. Making sure to GROUP select before rotating when appropriate. 5. Using the Rotate/Resize About Current Point Edit Mode (along with a Temporary Point) if necessary. 6. Using Angular Dimensions to rotate objects 7. This one is more of a trick then it is a proper tool, but you can also place a short, perpendicular section of a Room Divider wall that intersects right where you want your break in order to help keep a wall from moving on you. it should be noted, however, that this should almost never be necessary for any of what you’ve described above. It’s just a somewhat related trick that’s good to be aware of. 8. As was already stated by several of us above… Use CAD tools when necessary. You can’t claim there’s something inherently wrong with the software just because you either refused to use the appropriate tools or just didn’t know how to. This is especially true if you are going into another software and using the same tools over there because you claim chief can’t do it. In particular, you can use the circle tool to find intersections of various lengths to make your geometry problem solving really quick. You can also use temporary lines, Construction Lines, the Stretch CAD tool. 9. Using Point to Point Move when appropriate. 9. Using the Make Parallel/Perpendicular tool 10. Using the Enter Coordinates dialog …. I could go all day. I assure you that everything you’ve described is completely possible to manage inside of Chief though. I’d like to kindly suggest you consider investing in some training sessions with a good coach if you find yourself struggling with this kind of thing, because truthfully….many of us don’t have any problem with these scenarios.

Okay, now we’re getting a little further. That seems like something you should have mentioned. Still not quite there though. As I have already demonstrated, dimension 4 can be almost anything you want it to be even with that angle fixed.

based on this post, it sounds like you just confirmed what I demonstrated in my last post. Without additional constraints dim 4 can be almost anything you want it to be. You are still not making it very clear what we are solving for. It seems that perhaps you are just demonstrating that you may not actually understand the geometry very well yourself and although you think you might’ve found the one answer, you just found one of MANY possible answers.

Hahaha! Yeah, I do that more than I probably should. My bag of secret tricks is still pretty full though : )

Absolutely! My method remains live. Any changes to the sheets themselves and the Layout Page Table updates to suit.

Click and drag using the title bar until your mouse pointer is roughly centered over one side or the other and you should see the new location highlighted: Then drop it and resize as necessary:

We actually do have a trick for this. You can Cut and Paste you Layout Page Table to a CAD Detail in Layout, and send that CAD Detail to Layout. You can then copy, crop, and reposition to create the illusion of either multiple or wrapped Layout Page Tables . If you're willing to pay for a little of my consulting time shoot me over an email and I'd be happy to expand on the idea for you, offer a few additional tips, and/or make you a video walking through the process in more detail. Just shoot me over an email to alaskansons@gmail.com

This you should be able to do without even figuring the problem out. Just go to Tools>Layout>Referenced Plan Files and change all linked files to the one single file of your choice.

Can you post the layout?

I'm just trying to clarify what the end goal is because I don't understand which dimension(s), angle(s), or point(s) we're trying to solve for. In reading through the description it would seem to me that we're trying to make Edge 1 align with P6, but that would require Lines 1 and 2 being at different angles. If we're simply trying to solve for Dim 4 on the other hand, then we don't seem to have enough information to work with since simply rotating Building 1 would allow that number to be just about anything by simply moving Building 2 up or down to suit. And if we're simply trying to find the angles of the lower wall on Building 1 and the upper wall of Building 2, then again, we don't have enough information to work with without some clarification. We can currently model to meet the limited specs given and use an infinite number of configurations even if we were to lock Angles A, B, and C at 90 degrees. ...and that's before allowing for some of the other variables I asked about. In any case, this doesn't seem to be an issue with the program at all but rather a basic geometric issue about which there's either a lack of understanding or lack of proper data.

I agree with some of the others. Nothing about your situation should preclude you for doing it all in Chief. In fact, although it might still require using a little CAD, I'm not sure it couldn't all be done with walls. I feel like perhaps you just might not have a handle on the tools and methods you can be using. That being said, you're diagram is a little confusing and your constraints aren't very clear to me. You're attempting to explain something in a lot of words that would be better put in your diagram: Does this look about right? If so, can you clarify a few things? Are Line 1 and Line 2 parallel? If so, then I must not understand the intent or else Dim 1 and Dim 3 would match. Is Angle C a 90 degree angle or is it unknown? Should Dim 3 perhaps more accurately be placed right in line with Line 3 indicating that there's actually a potential pivot point where the wall meets that line? Am I correct that Angle A and Angle B are unknown? Am I correct that Dim 4 is unknown? Anything else I'm missing or misunderstanding?

I'm not seeing this.

For situations like that, you should probably just use CAD tools until you get it situated. Then start moving walls. WE have to use the right tools for the job, and sometimes walls aren't that tool.

I couldn't agree more. Applying moldings in elevation view is the same story.

Speaking of acceptable language and Big Ass Fans. I remember purchasing a whole bunch of them for one of our projects back in probably 2014. One of their models was called the "Isis" (an Egyptian goddess). This was around the time though that the Islamic State was having a resurgence as ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria). Next time I was ordering fans it had been cleverly renamed the "i6".

I'm not sure you understand how the Room Types work Brad. First off, the Copy and Delete buttons take the same amount of work and they're found in the same place. The only real difference is the seconds it takes to type the desired name. And there was nothing special about the otherwise redundant Room Types Chief removed. Its Room Functions that have drawing intelligence built in and all those extra Room Types were nothing more than renamed copies of existing Room Types with no change to the Room Function.

I sent that information to you in a PM a while back.

It works for me:

Not sure there is any way to turn those off without turning off the Drawing Sheet altogether. Can you just turn off the drawing sheet? And perhaps place a CAD object to represent the Drawing Sheet?

There are still ways to set the default line weight. Just not the default color.

You should really post the plan for things like this. Too many variables. Its possible there's a far easier solution depending on the specifics.

You should really take some time to familiarize yourself with Chief's 3D modeling tools. The ability to just model what you need when you need it is incredibly valuable. If you're willing to pay for a little of my consulting time and get a symbol out of it as well, I can make you a custom video showing you how I would model that from scratch.

That's just a coincidence. Mine shows the exact same date. This, I can't tell you. I'm not sure how one might do that. Just an idea, but you might try saving a copy of the font (in case the rest of my suggestion doesn't work) and then opening X12. It's possible X12 will try to find and automatically install the missing font. If that doesn't work, just reinstall X12 from your digital locker and I'm assuming the old font will install with it. Once installed, copy it for future re-install.

Ya, I was aware that they have changed it a few times. I just didn't know if they changed in for X15.

You're seeing the font version, not the install date.