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Ok guys Michael came through again. There was still one closet with a slightly different floor level, but the real answer was a new feature in X12 framing groups. More on this later. Thanks Michael.
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Yup, I did all of that.
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Robert, The problem is that there is a mix of new framing matching up with the existing framing. There are second storey additions to the rear and the front of the house. several existing second storey joists are going to be removed and replaced with cantilevered joists.
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I tried to duplicate the problem in a fresh plan file, and if I change any second storey floor height it makes rim joists around that room. If I make that room go back to default floor height, then the problem goes away. That isn't the case in my client's plan. That plan was created by him using Home Designer. For a first-timer, he did a remarkable job of getting the as-built design done but with a bucket load of hand grenades as well. The double floor generation was one such problem that Michael managed to uncover, but this rim joist and floor joist direction phenomenon just has me baffled.
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Ok so I checked all the ceiling heights and corrected all of them. Then I made sure all floor elevations were correct for the first and second floor. Next I turned all the interior walls to "No Room Definition" and the floor joists generated correctly. So then I deleted a few walls on the second floor, and the joists under the walls corrected. So I replaced the wall with a "vanilla" interior wall, 1/2" drywall, 2 x 4 studs 16" OC.and the damned system once again created a rim joist under the vanilla wall.
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Michael, Thanks again. I will check all of those, this particular project is really giving me heartburn.
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Pier and beam issues framing and floor deck showing.
Doug_N replied to Designer100's topic in General Q & A
I opened your file in X12 and pulled the siding down as per your post. Here is the result. So maybe this is an X11 glitch, or maybe try one of the following. 1) Restart your system and try again 2) Reinstall X11 and try again 3) Install X12 (I really like it) Hope one of these works for you -
As a side note: This is the same plan that was causing double floor layers that Michael sorted out.
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I have a strange problem with floor joists on this project. Once again a client-supplied file that I have made lots of adjustments to, but when I generate floor joists each room on the second floor generates a rim joist around it, and the joists go all over the place. Here is a view of the first floor prior to generating joists. And here is the view of automatically generated joists Note the seemingly random direction of joists in closets and in some floor panels. Why is the program generating floor joists around each second floor room? Floor_Framing_Problem.zip
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Hi Dermot, thanks for that update and in that case, here is an issue that I ran into. Michael (Alaskan Son) helped me solve the problem, and you may not consider it an issue but it is easy to duplicate the problem and hard to find what is causing it. This is an example of putting the wrong info into the floor layer dbx and that information causes very unexpected results.
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Perhaps, but AutoDesk publishes a list of known problems to show they know there are problems but they are working on them. By doing this, if you stumble upon a known issue, you aren't posting about it because that would be a waste of time. In my opinion, it shows that the company cares about the user experience and that they are on top of the development.
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Hi Joe, hard to offer an opinion when the plan is not posted.
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If you post the plan I will have a quick look at it. Maybe offer a few pointers.
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Carrie, Is there a list of known bugs? If your development team already knows about some problems, it would save people looking for answers that don't yet exist, and it would let us know what we have to work around. Thanks. Doug
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Ahh I see.
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Well, I don't think that the joist direction symbol had anything to do with it because the double floor problem occurred prior to my using joist direction. I did the joist direction in an effort to track down what was causing the problem (not very successfully as it turns out.) But the joist direction tool did offer me a clue by indicating a silly joist value. In any case, maybe one of the tech staff will read this thread and offer an opinion.
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Michael, You nailed it. This is how it was set up. Amazingly, even though it lists the TOTAL assembly assy at 8 1/4 inches, it made TWO layers at 16 1/2" I kind of think this is a bit of a gotcha. Here is my dbx following your comment Should this be reported as a bug? It seems like a bug to me. In any case, erasing all framing and regenerating creates a floor with only one layer. I now have significantly less hair than I had this morning Thanks Michael. Doug
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I have tried the simple things, including your suggestion. In fact, to simplify the model I erased everything but one area of the building to get rid of any possible interference from other things. After each change, I delete all framing and regenerate. Every time two layers of floor joists appear. Simplified.zip
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No, I don't think so. If you click on the joists, both layers are listed as floor joists.
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Checked the dbx and there is only one floor.
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I have a strange problem with a file created by one of my clients. Not that the client created the problem, it may have been something that i did, but I can't for the life of me figure out what is going on here. If you click on one of the rooms at the back of the house, ( Raised Floor or Kitchen) then click on "generate framing" There is a double layer of floor joists and rim joists. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to stop it? Floor_Problem.zip
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Thanks for the update Dermot. It is gratifying to see that CA are monitoring the forum and paying attention, jumping in when a simple post can clear up a ton of misunderstanding. Well done.
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Eric's suggestion is spot on. My suggestion for a ceiling plane may be over the top and not required.
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In general this can be accomplished by adding a ceiling plane. Do you have a Chief Architect floor plan for this house under way? If so, it would be good for you to post your plan file so far. Another thing you should do is create a signature for your posts that lets people know what version of Chief Architect you are using, what your hardware is like and what your operating system is.
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Michael, It changes the header now. That is the point. Issuing a warning would be a great feature.
