Corner Cabinet Filler Toe Merging Issue

[MollyNDG]

Hello all,

 

Does anyone know why when I set a corner cabinet as a filler, and butt another base cabinet to it, the toe of that cabinet extends into the toe of the corner filler? When I open the cabinet's DBX it is showing the toe as extended. This is the only circumstance that I have seen this pop up. 

 

Thanks!

 

[SusanC]

Molly,

Can you post your plan as well, or even just a jpg of the plan so we can see exactly what you have going on in the corner?  

Thanks,

Susan

[MollyNDG]

22 minutes ago, SusanC said:

Molly,

Can you post your plan as well, or even just a jpg of the plan so we can see exactly what you have going on in the corner?  

Thanks,

Susan

Absolutely, here is the plan.

CORNER CAB. TOE.plan

[PitMan71]

Hey Molly, Thanks for posting the plan. this seems to be a bug. The cabinet only extends its to kick toward a corner cabinet. If it's a regular cabinet the extension isn't there. I would send this to support and see what they have to say on the matter. Be sure to include your .plan file. They usually respond within a few hours. 

[MPDesign]

Molly

I deleted the corner cabinet and placed a new base cabinet. Changed the default front of 3 drawers to 1 false drawer front. Then deleted hardware and stretched from left to right then turned into a corner cabinet. It looks like it's working. hth

410366274_CORNERCAB.TOE-working.plan

[SusanC]

Molly,

 

I also think this particular case is a bug.  You can submit it to Chief.  Go to Chiefarchitect.com / my account / technical support / new case (and submit your zipped file there.)

 

Another suggestion for placing a corner filler:

• Select a corner filler out of one of the manufacturer's cabinet catalogs.  I found one by searching in the library search bar for "corner filler".  Merrillat has one in their catalog but it needs a few adjustments.  You'll need to set the toe kick depth to match yours and you'll need to remove the backsplash and adjust the countertop overhang.  Then place in plan in between your 2 base cabinets.  Now you have a corner filler that will show up on your schedule.

Lastly, have you considered not using a dead corner and instead using a Lemans corner or a lazy Susan cabinet to capture all of that space?  Just a thought.

 

Susan   

[MollyNDG]

28 minutes ago, SusanC said:

Molly,

 

I also think this particular case is a bug.  You can submit it to Chief.  Go to Chiefarchitect.com / my account / technical support / new case (and submit your zipped file there.)

 

Another suggestion for placing a corner filler:

• Select a corner filler out of one of the manufacturer's cabinet catalogs.  I found one by searching in the library search bar for "corner filler".  Merrillat has one in their catalog but it needs a few adjustments.  You'll need to set the toe kick depth to match yours and you'll need to remove the backsplash and adjust the countertop overhang.  Then place in plan in between your 2 base cabinets.  Now you have a corner filler that will show up on your schedule.

Lastly, have you considered not using a dead corner and instead using a Lemans corner or a lazy Susan cabinet to capture all of that space?  Just a thought.

 

Susan   

Susan,

 

I will submit this as a bug, thank you for the steps to do so. 

 

I did try the Merrillat corner filler with adjustments and am getting the same issue, more confirmation it is a bug. I will keep this in mind for the schedule functionality though.

 

We do often utilize Lemans, they are great, but they don't fit every design situation so having a well functioning corner filler will be very useful. I typically just use two fillers and extend them to fill the space, but I would like to be able to use a corner filler for efficiency. 

 

Thank you all for your help!

[SusanC]

32 minutes ago, MollyNDG said:

Susan,

 

I will submit this as a bug, thank you for the steps to do so. 

 

I did try the Merrillat corner filler with adjustments and am getting the same issue, more confirmation it is a bug. I will keep this in mind for the schedule functionality though.

 

We do often utilize Lemans, they are great, but they don't fit every design situation so having a well functioning corner filler will be very useful. I typically just use two fillers and extend them to fill the space, but I would like to be able to use a corner filler for efficiency. 

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

You're welcome, but apologies, I should have looked more closely before offering up that solution to see that the Merrillat corner is doing the same thing.  Now that I think about it I'm guessing that their corner cabinet filler was created the same way you created yours.  Anyway, thank you for submitting this as a bug.   

 

[DBCooper]

I think that is just the way that Chief handles the toe kick for all of the corner cabinets.  With an L-shaped corner cabinet (or filler), they probably don't need to do this but for a diagonal front I think they want to extend the side toe kick to keep the diagonal front at the same depth without having a jog.

 

 

 

There are a few things you can do if you really want to change this. 

 

One thing you can do is to make the corner cabinet an "architectural block" (by clicking on it while holding the shift key down).  This prevents the side cabinets from connecting to it and extending the toe kick.  It will have other side effects though so you will have to use a custom counter top and you might want to check whether or not your sides are marked as finished (if you care) and you might have to muck around with the arch block if you need to see it show up as a corner filler in the material list or schedule.

 

Another thing you could do is build the corner filler by itself and convert it into a symbol object.  This pretty much has all of the same side effects as the architectural block though.

 

Another thing you could do is to remove the toe kicks from the cabinets, raise them up, and then build the toe kicks manually.

 

[Renerabbitt]

On 5/1/2025 at 8:16 AM, SusanC said:

Lemans corner or a lazy Susan cabinet to capture all of that space?  Just a thought.

A 3 drawer base at 18" actually has more storage than a le mans 45" unit with top drawer, especially if you use pegs inside the drawers. I also find a 3 drawer base easier to operate

 

To the OP, you could just place two fillers butted at the corner:

then turn on auto fillers at corners:

which gets you:

[SusanC]

27 minutes ago, Renerabbitt said:

A 3 drawer base at 18" actually has more storage than a le mans 45" unit with top drawer, especially if you use pegs inside the drawers. I also find a 3 drawer base easier to operate

 

To the OP, you could just place two fillers butted at the corner:

then turn on auto fillers at corners:

which gets you:

 

Depends on what the client needs for storage.   

Sometimes a corner is the only place available in a kitchen layout to store odd sizes of small appliances that are too tall or large for a drawer.  I agree with you the (2) 18" cabinet drawers provide a lot of storage and there is a lot of wasted space with the LeMans, but the Lazy Susan (who the heck named that cabinet anyway?!) can be very useful in certain situations...

Susan

[MarkMc]

On 5/5/2025 at 6:25 PM, SusanC said:

Depends on what the client needs for storage

Quite so. I only ever used the two largest Lemans (for susans I always used the Suzi Q never standard bi-fold doors)

It's also quite true that the net storage of corners can be greater when just killing the corner as Rene notes. However but almost never used a 3Drawer base narrower than 30" or more.  Narrower I always made a 4 drawer base learned that from taking photos of existing kitchens.

Many years ago I took to photographing every cabinet with what is stored there in a prospective clients kitchen. Measured the big, and odd. Likely 15,000 + photos over the years. Then used that to determine storage needs and placement. I also learned a bit about what did not work and how folks tried overcome the short comings (like narrow 3DBs). Have at least 15,000 photos from then.