BenFromCanvas

Get Chief Architect as-builts by scanning a space with your iPad or iPhone

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Hi,

I'm Ben with Canvas. Canvas is an app that turns your iPad or iPhone into a power tool: you can scan rooms in seconds, entire homes in minutes, and capture every measurement in a space. You immediately get an accurate 3D model of the space on your device that you can refer to anytime, share with others, and get any measurement on demand. Remodelers and architects renovating existing spaces can then use our Scan To CAD service to get design-ready, professional-grade, and editable files in two business days. Our existing customers call this "the easy button" for creating as-builts.
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I'm posting here because we just launched support for Chief Architect and are eager to see what Chief Architect users are going to do with it! For that reason, I'm offering promo codes for a complimentary Scan To CAD output to Chief Architect, which is a $39 value. You'll receive: 

  • 3D .plan file of the room
  • 3D .dwg file
  • 3d. dae file
  • and reprocessing, which colorizes your scan


If you have a LiDAR-equipped iPad Pro (released in March 2020) or a new iPhone 12 Pro or iPhone 12 Pro Max, please comment or send me a direct message with your email address and I'll send you a code. We're hoping you'll share your experience with the forum!

Download Canvas for iPad or Canvas for iPhone.

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16 minutes ago, BenFromCanvas said:

You immediately get an accurate 3D model

 

Sounds great Ben.  Could you expand on the level of accuracy of your system as I think that is the key factor for Chief Architect users.  Thanks.

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5 minutes ago, Chopsaw said:

 

Sounds great Ben.  Could you expand on the level of accuracy of your system as I think that is the key factor for Chief Architect users.  Thanks.

Thanks for the question! You can read more about accuracy here.

 

But, here’s the short answer: If you are using Canvas with a LiDAR-enabled iPad or iPhone (includes most Pro models launched since 2020), most measurements should be within 1-2% of what's verified manually with a tape measure, laser distance meter, or existing blueprint. 

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12 hours ago, BenFromCanvas said:

Thanks for the question! You can read more about accuracy here.

 

But, here’s the short answer: If you are using Canvas with a LiDAR-enabled iPad or iPhone (includes most Pro models launched since 2020), most measurements should be within 1-2% of what's verified manually with a tape measure, laser distance meter, or existing blueprint. 

Isn't that kind of a high accuracy difference?  Thats almost 5" off in 20'... Which is not unrealistic to have a larger room in a larger home Master bedroom or Great room.  Matterport boasts a max of 1% and that is alot in some cases which is why I require a hover.to scan in addition to a matterport for as-builts if I am doing them for one of my contractors.

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5 hours ago, rgardner said:

Isn't that kind of a high accuracy difference?  Thats almost 5" off in 20'... Which is not unrealistic to have a larger room in a larger home Master bedroom or Great room.  Matterport boasts a max of 1% and that is alot in some cases which is why I require a hover.to scan in addition to a matterport for as-builts if I am doing them for one of my contractors.

 

Totally fair to call out that that kind of tolerance won't work for every project and use case. Like any other tool, 3D capture has uses where it's a game-changer on its own, uses where it needs a bit of help, and uses where it's not the right fit at all. For example, if you're ordering and installing custom cabinetry and have a super tight (1/16") tolerance, you're probably going to want to take those measurements manually. But that would be true of most 3D scanning solutions outside of the super-high-end tripod scanners, usually in the $5K or even $10K+ range, and usually, they take hours more to complete the scan.

 

Hover is actually about a 5% tolerance, according to their FAQs: https://help.hover.to/en/articles/392328-how-accurate-are-the-measurements. This matches with what you'd generally expect from Canvas *without LiDAR* too (as the app does support non-LiDAR iPhones going back to the iPhone 7). 

 

We actually have a flow where you can submit any critical dimensions with your scan and we'll match it in your Scan To CAD result in Chief Architect: https://support.canvas.io/article/198-how-to-submit-manual-dimensions-to-canvas. In this way, you're always getting comparable accuracy to what you would've gotten the old-fashioned way for the measurements that really require it, and leveraging the time-saving benefits of 3D scanning for everything else. 

 

Another common workflow we see within design-build and remodeling firms is to use Canvas to scan the whole home (and convert to Chief or another output) on the initial visit, and then update the measurements in the CAD model over time as the project progresses. Doing a full site survey and 3D model (manually) that early in a project is often far too time-consuming to justify, especially when the project scope is not yet defined and you might not even know what you need to capture. But having that 3D model early on means you can engage the client about design choices and plans weeks earlier than you otherwise would (and 3D scanning means you capture everything, not just what you think you need).

 

You might be interested in this case study from Lotus Construction Group about their workflow.

All in all, we really try to focus on two things: being blazing-fast (scanning a room takes about a minute) and bridging to the tools and workflows people use to get their job done (like Chief Architect). Accuracy will only get better as it becomes cheaper and cheaper to integrate higher-quality sensors and the technology keeps improving. It wasn't that long ago that even 1% cost $50K and took a full day of scanning time and another few days of painstakingly tracing a point cloud. Now it fits in your pocket!

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And for those of us who will never use an Iphone or Ipad?    ie an Andriod App when?

 

(or Windows? not sure how the Tech works...or Data from a Leica Disto 7500i for eg.) 

 

M. 

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On 11/14/2020 at 2:40 PM, Kbird1 said:

 

And for those of us who will never use an Iphone or Ipad?    ie an Andriod App when?

 

(or Windows? not sure how the Tech works...or Data from a Leica Disto 7500i for eg.) 

 

M. 

 


We actually are already working on bringing our tech to Android! We don't have an exact ETA to share, but that's the next step for us in terms of platform. We also do have plans to incorporate laser distance meter measurements as a means of augmenting the flow I described above for adding critical dimensions: https://support.canvas.io/article/198-how-to-submit-manual-dimensions-to-canvas.

We have many customers who are Windows users - they use Chief Architect (or one of our other output formats) on that platform, but have purchased the $799 iPad Pro for scanning, as they find that it's a relatively small upfront investment in terms of ROI for the amount of time they save measuring and building the as-built models. 

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I like the ease at which this can be done for sure.  We already take copious photographs of the existing home, so this is a small step in a slightly different direction.  I like the "augmenting" the flow by taking some critical measurements, so that the 3d scan becomes more accurate.  Just a couple of quick X,Y & Z measurements of some of the rooms could get the accuracy much closer.  But right now you've got a disconnect that could easily be overcome:

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In order to help you get a model that includes these tight tolerances, you can submit a drawing or diagram with any manually verified dimensions with your Scan To CAD order. Then, we will override the existing values for those dimensions with the measurements you provide and use the scan to process everything else.

I've seen other recent software measuring tools that incorporate inputting on the fly measurements while you take those Lidar images.  See the new Houzz Pro 3d App

That would put those critical measurements into the scan, saving time and money on your end.

 

Question:  Is there another device one could buy that is not an iPad or iPhone?  Some kind of handheld Lidar attachment?

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45 minutes ago, jtcapa1 said:

I've seen other recent software measuring tools that incorporate inputting on the fly measurements while you take those Lidar images.  See the new Houzz Pro 3d App

That would put those critical measurements into the scan, saving time and money on your end.

 

Question:  Is there another device one could buy that is not an iPad or iPhone?  Some kind of handheld Lidar attachment?

 

Thank you for the suggestion about incorporating critical measurements during the scanning process. We are already working on implementing an easier method to add manual measurements, but seeing your comment helps validate our decision to do so.


At this point, we don't support devices other than iPads and iPhones, but are working on supporting Android devices.

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1 hour ago, jtcapa1 said:

See the new Houzz Pro 3d App

 

Did anyone who watched this video notice the wall going through the closet door? Ha Ha!!

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