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Having some issues with Aligning Exterior Wall type on floors.

I have the following wall definitions in my plan:

8" CMU Wall  : Wall settings "Build to exterior layer"  are set to the main layer

    Foundation Wall
    7.625 CMU   <---  Main Layer
    
    Stucco Only Wall - Exposed on both sides
1    0.125 Stucco   <---  Ext. Layer
2   7.625 CMU      <---  Main Layer
3    0.125 Stucco   <---  Int. Layer
    
    Stucco Wall - Interior is living area
1    0.125 Stucco      <---  Ext. Layer

2   7.625 CMU         <---  Main Layer

3   0.75 Insulation   <---  Int. Layer
4   0.5 Drywall         <---  Int. Layer
    
    
Frame Wall  : Wall settings "Build to exterior layer"  are set to the main layer

4" Frame Wall
1    0.5 Drywall      <---  Ext. Layer

2   3.5 Frame         <---  Main Layer

3   0.5 Drywall         <---  Int. Layer

4" Stucco Wall
1    0.5 Drywall      <---  Ext. Layer
2   0" Housewrap    <---  Ext. Layer

3    0.5 OSB           <---  Main Layer
4   3.5 Frame         <---  Main Layer

5   0.5 Drywall         <---  Int. Layer

 

1) When I stack these block wall types & 4" Stucco Wall on different floors I can press the
"Align with wall below or above" and they do not use the "Build to exterior layer" for alignment.

 

2) When I create a "Center Line" (LINE) used for alignment purposes. Like center of wall.
I use the Center on Object tool & it does not align using the "CORE" or Main Layer of the wall to center on.

 

Perhaps I'm not using the correct method?

I'll be away for several hours, I'll check back.

 

 

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Just imagine this is not your plan and somebody posts this info.

 

Do you really think you would spend time trying to figure out what the heck you are talking about without a plan.

 

I give up.  

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With all you time in Chief I thought it would be an obvious answer.

I'll post a plan when I return. Should have been gone already.

Oh well late to another meeting. :)

 

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On ‎16‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 5:44 AM, ACADuser said:

1) When I stack these block wall types & 4" Stucco Wall on different floors I can press the
"Align with wall below or above" and they do not use the "Build to exterior layer" for alignment.

That makes sense because the Align tool doesn't use the Build To settings to align the walls - why would you think it does?.

The Align tool aligns walls to the outside of their main layers.

If you want to align walls to some other wall layer, use Alt+Q and choose a Resize About option and then manually drag the wall where needed.

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Attached is a sample taken from the building I am working on.

The center line is a property line that the foundation block centers on.

All wall types above that need to center the CMU portion on that line.

Or put another way, the main layers of the wall need to align on there edge.

Is there a tool to center the main layer on a line when the wall is not symmetrical?

 

The other item I was talking about is on the wall jog where one wall type is on one floor & the other type is above it.

I expected the wall align tool to align the edge of the main layers.

 

 

WALL TYPES.plan

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I can't see why this wall will not align with the wall below.

 

CA Wall align.JPG

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Draw parallel walls on 2 floors. 

 

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Try to align them. They align to the center of the wall.

 

Draw in the 2 end walls on each floor forming a room.

 

The walls will now align correctly.

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On 5/15/2017 at 1:01 PM, dshall said:

Just imagine this is not your plan and somebody posts this info.

 

Do you really think you would spend time trying to figure out what the heck you are talking about without a plan.

 

I give up.  

Cranky old man the troll is out from under the bridge

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See the red wall. Railing walls may be different.

 

I used the Offset adjustment to manually move the wall out into alignment.

 

If you make the Newels/Posts 6-5/8 like the wall, it will automatically align.

 

MacDill RH-Unit B (eric).zip

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16 hours ago, solver said:

Draw parallel walls on 2 floors. 

 

Snap3.thumb.jpg.87de0cd39b498ea355829b7587d884ee.jpg

 

Try to align them. They align to the center of the wall.

 

Draw in the 2 end walls on each floor forming a room.

 

The walls will now align correctly.

 

Looking at this again.

The line exist as a target, a fixed property line. I was hoping to align the core (main layer) of the wall to that line.

Appears there is no method to do so unless the wall type is symmetrical.

 

I'm still having issues with that railing wall so I sent it to Tech Support.

Let's see what they have to say.

 

Thanks for your time & expertise.

 

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OK this is what I got from Tec Support


<Quote>I am not sure exactly WHY it is happening in this plan but I can only get it to align if I adjust the 4th floor walls to stucco-4. Then Align with wall below. Then I turn them back to Stucco-6 and don't touch them again. They are aligned on the outside edge in 3d and in the reference view.</Quote>

 

I'm not sure ether but I can get other plans to align properly.

 

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15 hours ago, ACADuser said:

OK this is what I got from Tec Support


<Quote>I am not sure exactly WHY it is happening in this plan but I can only get it to align if I adjust the 4th floor walls to stucco-4. Then Align with wall below. Then I turn them back to Stucco-6 and don't touch them again. They are aligned on the outside edge in 3d and in the reference view.</Quote>

 

I'm not sure ether but I can get other plans to align properly.

 

 

You had not created ROOMS.  You only had two walls.  As soon as I made those walls part of a ROOM,  the walls aligned.  

 

I suppose the point is....  THE ALIGN WALL tool will not work for walls that are not part of a ROOM.

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Why was tech support at Chief not saying the same thing?

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23 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

Why was tech support at Chief not saying the same thing?

 

In defense of Tech support,  nobody knows everything.  Even the Great Glenn Woodward has a few chinks in his armor  (framing).

 

We just need to stick together and share our knowledge and we will all become more proficient.

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See post #9 for the working file.

That one has a room

 

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30 minutes ago, ACADuser said:

See post #9 for the working file.

That one has a room

 

 

I understand.  I did not use that plan.

 

I did open the plan with the rooms and I understand the dilemma.  Interesting though that if I disconnect the wall in bath 2,  see pic.,  the alignment behaves.

 

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I spent a few more minutes on it and I believe it is now fixed.

 

All I did was disconnect the walls per previous post,  fed my dog and kissed my wife,  reconnected the walls,  and I think all is well.

 

MacDill RH-Unit B fixed.plan

 

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Thanks Scott but I will have to wait another 2 hours before I can feed the dog.

I'll get back to you then.

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2 hours ago, ACADuser said:

Thanks Scott but I will have to wait another 2 hours before I can feed the dog.

I'll get back to you then.

Yeah, but when are you going to kiss Scott's wife.

That's what we all want to know. ;)

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15 hours ago, ACADuser said:

Oh I already kissed the wife. :)

 

 

hey hey hey,  wait a minute....

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