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Chief Terrible at terrain. Completely ignores "Flat Interior" for terrain area.

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I am having a problem in multiple drawings with chief completely ignoring the "Flat Interior" command for Terrain Area's. The software always draws elevation lines within the area that is supposed to be flat. It as if this command does absolutely nothing. This is incredibly frustrating when trying to do accurate site plans.

 

So far the only work around I have found, which does not work all that well, is to load the area with tons of point elevations. These seem to be the only thing that effects the elevation calculations in chief. The elevation line or spline function generates the incorrect elevations within areas and spawns even more errors by creating random dips or bumps all over the place.

 

Does anyone have any solutions for this? I have attached a current duplex plan I am working on. I am trying to keep the front area flat, with the terrain rising along the sides of the building and continuing to rise up behind the building. As you can see chief has generated these ridiculous slopes on the front of the building in a "terrain area" that has the "flat interior" assigned. On one side I loaded it with a number of points to adjust some errors, but it still generates problems. On the other side you can see chief has generated errors and there is no solution applied. Suggestions welcome!

 

 

 

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You might have better luck if you turn off Flatten Pad.  Basically you are giving the program conflicting data so it is having problems generating a reasonable model.

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13 minutes ago, Dermot said:

You might have better luck if you turn off Flatten Pad.  Basically you are giving the program conflicting data so it is having problems generating a reasonable model.

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That does nothing for me. All the errors are still there. In fact it made a lot of them worse. What else did you do?

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I fixed the front mostly using terrain breaks. But now look at what Chief did to the sides and back. Massive random pits and hills. It does this kind of nonsense to me all the time and makes accurate grading plans impossible with this software.

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10 minutes ago, WhistlerBuilder said:

That does nothing for me. All the errors are still there. In fact it made a lot of them worse. What else did you do?

 

I get essentially the same as Dermot and then you might consider using Elevation Regions to clean things up the rest of the way after turning off "Flatten Pad".  I find they are easy to use and quite powerful to override other features.

Flatten Pad off.jpgFlatten Pad off plan view.jpg

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I feel like you guys are using a different version of chief than me. I use elevation regions and I did what Dermot said as well and I got completely different results!

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What else did you do?

 

Nothing.  I opened the plan you posted above and turned off Flatten Pad in the Terrain Specification dialog. 

 

My best guess is that you made changes to the plan after you posted it which are causing you more problems. 

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Id honestly like to get to the bottom of this myself, since I open up the file and do the same thing Dermot said and it doesn't fix the terrain.  I even tried the "rebuild" terrain option and that didn't work.

 

How can we all be getting different results?

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8 minutes ago, johnny said:

How can we all be getting different results?

 

Could one of you post your results please and maybe we can all work together to figure this out.

And are we all using X8?

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Im using X9 - but after I posted the comment I played around a bit more and realized I was selecting the material region on the lower end and un-checking "flatten pad" when I needed to select the larger terrain model and uncheck flatten pad.  When I unchecked flatten pad for the main terrain perimeter it worked as Dermot shows.

 

There is a good chance the OP is probably doing the same.

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Thank You Johnny,   I made the adjustment in the Terrain Specification DBX accessed from the drop down menu beside select objects when in Terrain Configuration Mode.

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28 minutes ago, johnny said:

Id honestly like to get to the bottom of this myself, since I open up the file and do the same thing Dermot said and it doesn't fix the terrain.  I even tried the "rebuild" terrain option and that didn't work.

 

How can we all be getting different results?

JPC,  open plan and then take a screen shot of the box you checked......  I bet you checked the wrong one....

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Selecting the Terrain Perimeter instead of the terrain area and unchecking flatten pad fixes many of the problems!

 

Thank you so much Johnny!!!!

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I apologize for any confusion caused by my earlier post.  I would have never guessed that when I said "Flatten Pad in the Terrain Specification dialog" that people would confuse that with "Interior is Flat in the Elevation Region Specification dialog".

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Thanks to everyone for this discussion.  Could not get the terrain to act like every other tutorial. Big pits, spiking terrain, terrain would lean away from the basement walls. Designated Flat Regions were not flat.

 

As suggested here I turned off Flatten Pad in the Terrain Specification and the land is against the basement wall.  

 

Edit: However, I tried putting in a retaining wall.  Rather than a straight wall I get a wall spiking up and down. The terrain spikes up and down and goes much higher than my elevation line specifications.  

 

All the tutorials just say put in a retaining wall and they look like a normal wall.

 

Anyone know why the terrain and wall would act like this??

 

Has someone turned this in as a glitch?  Flatten pad should just be the same as a designated flat area but only for the house pad.  The way it works now is useless!

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Looks like user error to me.

You have some very funny geometry on the top right hand corner of the Elevation Region - have a very close look and you should see what I mean.

You may also need to resolve some of the conflicting terrain elevation data in that same area - there may be conflicting information between the elevation region and the elevation lines.

You may also need to extend the elevation region under the building.

 I don't see a retaining wall, just a path.

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Hi,

Thanks for looking at this for me. Since the post I went over all the terrain elevation data.  Still the terrain walls don't seem to work as in the tutorials.  Tried a different spot on the terrain and still it is odd.  I will find land poping up in places.  When I rebuild the terrain I can get it to unpop even though Chief says the terrain is current.

 

This had been a problem for me in Home Designer too.  I was hoping to get better results with X9.  I am now close but not exactly what I want but good enough to press on.

 

Still think it is a glitch to have everything so messed up just because one says to flatten the pad.  New at this and obviously don't get it all.  Still reading all the tutorials and viewing everything I can get my hands on.

 

Thanks again.

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