MarkMc

No tinkering-made from scratch in Chief-you can too with a tad of practice

Glad you got it to work. The insert you used is for a tall cabinet so it has too many shelves. If I were going to the trouble to show that to a client I'd want to be a bit more accurate. The only wire frame with 3 shelves for a base cabinet that I know of comes from Hafele. Rev-A-Shelf only offers a two tray that is shorter. Plenty of wood solutions, just not wire ones. I put one together and posted in the symbol section. You can also get baskets with wire bottoms but I didn't do that-if I wanted that I'd use a texture to replace the maple. Maybe read up on symbol creation (and hacking -look for some posts by Alaskan Son)

Short story-here is a 3 wire tray base pullout representing a Hafele 546.62.826 with 546.63.114 (set and a half) two cabinets and the insert. Base width is 14" but can resize that-height is set for a frameless cabinet that with 4" toe kicks but you can copy it in your library and resize for others. If you want two baskets well you will have to work on that yourself (I have wooden things made by the mfg) Long version if you care Melissa was placing a wire pullout in a base cabinet and ended up using one meant for a tall cabinet. The only wire 3 tray PO that I know of is from Hafele-a few widths are available and the height is adjustable but you can't go and (reasonably) get a custom wire P.O. Some of the Hafele catalog is available in 2020 BUT not in Chief. (get after your Hafele rep and cabinet suppliers to change that). You can export a 3d DWG from 2020 but still have to get textures onto it-ugh. Hafele now has a 3D database which is awful to rummage through and the face counts get atrocious. Anyway-. being unable to resist a rabbit hole and to escape playing with Ruby and paperwork I put this together. Just needed a break. Base PO cabinet.plan

Check ref manual pg 616

An alternative to using defaults- I keep one of each-2d, 3d 4d, 5d. Most often I design with standard then use replace from library. Alternately. Drag in from library-Resize how many of a given size-then copy- paste combined with transform replicate (reflect or point to point).

This generates the color code correctly based on text entry in the code field. I'd think you want to concatinate it with the rest elsewhere? (biggest problem was you had elseif instead of elsif) OR use a case as Eric suggests-easier color = owner.component_code sku=' ' if color == 'Burgundy' then 'J1' elsif color == 'Black' then 'D1' elsif color == 'Blue' then 'F1' elsif color == 'Burnished Slate' then 'BS1' elsif color == 'Brown' then 'B1' elsif color == 'Bright White' then 'U1' elsif color == 'White' then 'M1' else '???' end

Sent you a PM and email.

Really useful, can see where improvements in Ruby could help (and as you know I'm not all that good at it

Just found the time to watch both videos, very useful. Have time scheduled this week to finish off the cabinet pricing stuff and think I can use some of this there. I also see a use for this with drafting clients but even more for the construction notes. May try to blend with the plant note thing which gets a little out of hand in the library with multiple clients each with different needs.

I've been using "Legal Billing" from Chaos Software It's $50, trial available. I've been using their PIM and email software forever so it was an easy choice. I find it easier to cope with than Chief's timer and simpler to use than the other things I tried.

When I was learning symbols I printed out the pages for Editing Custom Symbols from the reference manual to refer to. I keep a copy of the reference manual on my machine with a shortcut on my desktop and in my working directory, another copy on my phone and tablet. I refer to them regularly and just read sections every now and then. It can get really frustrating fast trying to learn the software by just clicking, and wastes time unnecessarily. Short of going through all the tutorials another thing you can do is hit the help button or press F1 when you have a tool in use that you aren't familiar with yet (I love F1:) it opens help in a second window so you can refer to it when adjusting whatever you're adjusting.

Think Joe transposed y and z there.

I don't think that is the issue I'm seeing. I'm not changing plan views, what I am seeing is that "eventually" I can select layers that are hidden and a couple of time hidden AND locked. I'm using the ALDO to change the layers. It doesn't happen immediately and until last night it had not happened at all when I ended up back a release. For the first time it happened in the prior release last night. Opened plan and two more plan views from the browser. It was selecting rooms in an area of a plan where all everything was hidden -in an already saved plan view and annoset- had not changed any layer settings. That's also the first time it happened that quickly. I've been unable to document it. It almost never happens immediately, always waits till some time into a plan, one to three hours depending on what I'm doing. Using undo to go back to see what caused it fixes it and then it does not happen when you redo!! The more active I need to be with changing layers, new plan views, etc-the faster it happens but never in anything like "10 minutes we can reproduce it" The only way I can think of is to run a screen recorder constantly. Maybe next week but too busy to deal with it (cost a lot of time) so won't re-install the latest update until things quiet down, it becomes persistent with this release, or gets fixed. I've also tried to isolate it by eliminating any other programs without success. The door selection issue Dermot mentions was from plan noted above and sent in a few weeks ago (earlier thread on here). I was surprised they could reproduce that only and not any of the rest. I had it selecting all sorts of things in saved plan views.

I have a support ticket in on this (with NIgel). Was happening really bad on latest update. Had to do a restore for a printer issue and prior version has been much better. Since I'm slammed right now I dropped trying to document it all for now and staying with that version. Though I just had it select unseen rooms last night. These are all from X10 templates. One thing I found when trying to document it is that it tends to go away after an undo? it also takes a while to show up in a plan. Send it in to tech support please.

I do some training but don't promote it. For myself and the employees that I've trained, we all took initial classes from Chief. I can do a train the system that I've used as a KB dealer for some years now. That is 3 days (maybe could work it into 2) with a couple of on line follow ups AND requires that you have a solid foundation in the program first. IT also requires that you implement it immediately. You might consider sending them to the upcoming Chief Academy in Idaho. Cost would likely be comparable to what I would end up charging (if careful about accommodations), could be a little more though. I'd heartily recommend it. I'll be out there taking the advanced class and can arrange to look me up and pick my brain for free. If you think you might want me then go to my website, grab the phone number and give me a call. I'm in the Hudson Valley and can travel, if I can piggy back it with one of my drafting clients in Mass might save some money. She was after me to offer a group training up in Salem at the building where her office is; but I've not decided to do that as yet.

I said it's a block and one way. I use that method often. I resize them all the time, give control of lines, layer, and fill.

Once the symbol is created you can open object in library (except cabinets) and change the layer. Here's one way-shelf (on layer shelf) with rod (layer shelf rod) blocked. I made both as new symbols -fixture interior- guessing that's what you were after. Would have to tab (or unblock) to change size so I'd keep the smaller one in the library. shelf with rod.plan

Back at computer, this has circles but not as clean as Roberts. Couldn't find the old ones I did a few years back, nor could I find the distributor I used on line. A quick fast down and dirty. mesh plan.plan

Cabinet with a glass door panel, change the glass material. Some suppliers of mesh etc, have images on line to use as a starting point. That particular mesh is (hand$) made in England, I don't remember if the British sites or American distributors have the image.

Undo setting is in preferences, general panel. Not likely to help though. Had a recent plan with elaborate rails on the balconies that slogged it down. After I finished them did a save as, went back to the original and changed all of them so I could work. When I needed them again just copied from the save as and pasted in place. Might try something like that if it's the stairs causing slowness.

Yes you can, on the dimension defaults, extension tab, proximity fixed. I use annosets to have different dim defaults to use on cabinets (and other things) I don't like auto interior dims so I have these set so I can just drag a line to get what I need. Example has two different "proximity fixed" settings. Where it the dimension ends up will depend on which side of the object you run your line across. When set it will not allow you to move the dimension line manually without changing that setting.

Make an angled front cabinet where the front is blank, right side is 17-1/4 and has the face configuration you want, left side is 5-1/4, width equals depth of on cabinet, toe kick allowed everywhere then rotate it and adjust counter. Not sure if toe kick will work or if he have to fudge it. (from memory on phone)

Got your email,(thought that was you, just saw this) invite sent

This my or may not be related but I've got a support ticket with a different issue that does not occur right away. What I'm seeing is objects on hidden and sometimes hidden& locked layers are selected when working. Support has been able to reproduce one aspect of it with one layer but not the rest. I spent some time trying to reproduce it and record without success. I could reproduce it, just not record any cause. One thing that I noticed doing that which "might" be useful was-I'd use undo a couple of times as soon as it started, hoping to revert to the cause, started the recording. BUT it would not reproduce. Hitting undo appeared to make the issue go away. Dunno? I had begun to run recording full time when I had to do a restore to fix a printer issue. That put me back to build 20.2.3.3 where I don't have any problems. I've left it there for now since I'm a bit slammed and the problem made things close to unworkable for me. (BTW I don't get your delete issue on that build) Depending on work load I may move up to 20.2.3.54 to try recording again sometime next week. I'll also check to see if your issue shows then too. If I can get a decent recording for either I'll send that in and revert to prior build until a patch shows up.

I had not intended to bump this but felt the need to add some more specifics that could be useful to a few people I spoke with and referred to this thread. An overview - How it works-the short answer is pretty well. I could possibly price simple projects; ones with few changes or mods, using brands with limited offerings, faster in 2020 or ProKitchen. OTOH for most of my work generating on the whole generating a complete project (design, drawings, renderings and order) is faster, cleaner, more complete and easier than using anything else I have tried. The system is designed to: generate a ballpark price quickly be usable by folks with modest computer skills maximize the time saved compared to require to adapt and use adapt to any brand of cabinets (though where it shines is if you use modifications) keep code entry as simple as possible minimize the need to look up pricing- pricing for modifications and pre-configured cabinets is kept in the system (including moldings and millwork) minimize the time spent configuring cabinets and accessing them from the library organize the user library to minimize time negotiating the library when changes are made provide data that can be used in any of three ways of creating and order (spreadsheet, online order form, 2020) minimize the possibility of mistakes, allow for easy checking prior to export and stay “live” based on the design to minimize typing-entry of data is drag and drop (or copy/paste) into fields. At the same time be adaptable to custom entry when needed provide a means of having readily available header information (brand, construction, style, species, finish, etc.) At first glance there are some aspects of setting this up that will appear complicated. Since I did the heavy lifting and handing you what you need to set it up; it is not difficult to use and fulfills the stated goals well. The presentation is a one time deal and a thank you to the hard working folks at Chief and this forum. I’m undecided what I’ll do with the session recording aside from distributing to the attendees. I’ve got more time into this than I intended and I don’t want do a lot of follow up (lacking restraint, I likely couldn’t resist). What you will be given to use: The files have expired, been removed. any macros required to make the system work including mulitple dimension formats to suit your mfg requirements (to 1/16th in fractions & decimal, Rounded to the inch, rounded to 3” increments) a spreadsheet template to format your codes to work within the system a sample plan with default cabinets configured to work with the system assorted static instructions for when you can’t remember how (text, images, maybe a pdf) so you don’t have to go back and rummage through the video What you need (besides Chief Architect): spreadsheet software (plenty of free choics if you don’t have one) you won’t need to know a lot about it ideally a pdf catalog of your mfg catalog (other formats can be as even better but I”ve never managed to acquire any) a pdf reader -optional: the ability to export to a spreadsheet can be useful optional- a program called Stickies; free from www.zhornsoftware.co.uk What you will need to do for your work: place your mfg codes and some pricing into the provided spreadsheet template and save the only spreadsheet actions you will need to know are-insert row(s) or column(s); copy/past; paste special (exact example provided); and lock a spreadsheet (optional) Design as you normally would If you need order data not already in your saved mfg spreadsheet add it (to only one cell) Either drag and drop pre-configured cabinets OR use “Replace from Library” Your moldings and other accessories needed for the order are placed from the library. Quantities is changed using copy and paste in place Set the order of your cabinet schedule and check it change the columns shown in the schedule, copy and paste to a spreadsheet undo the column change and set your schedule columns for final print in Chief Use the exported data in the method you prefer for final pricing: spreadsheet order template (an example supplied), online ordering or 2020 (will work best in versions before they tied catalogs to support)or ProKitchen (but that may be different to work with and I’m not dealing with it) When using the “spreadsheet order template” method you will still have to look up “some” pricing. (for me that amounts to 6-10 lines per order, mostly wall cabinets) I've been getting the data I need to order cabinets out of Chief for 5 years, with 6 manufacturers, with varied order requirements and systems for submission. At first that was limited, then a bit complicated, currently this is the best I've worked out.