MarkMc

Thanks for the vid- looks like the way to go- at least a bit better than what I've got. Think I can make it work out with your second method, a few psolids and some molding- at least to keep client happy. The upside is I only need the interior.

OK got it figured out- I'd been clicking add and only getting sub items lines-. i.e cabinet is C4, select it, click add and I get say C4.8, C4.9 etc. Nothing added to those sub items lines shows in the legend. IF however I select another item in the list- like C1 (the countertop!!) and click add then I get a new line C5 (not a sub line of the cabinet) Then on that new line I can select Mods, type in a description and it shows in the schedule. This appears to work on any full line in the component list EXCEPT the cabinet itself which is generally down the list. part way. I had one where there was a full line AFTER the cabinet and clicking that also works. SO any full line before or after, just not where you intend it. Testing this I found that sometimes after adding a few lines then clicking the cabinet adds a new line not that I'd be doing that. Little more testing and found I can add it clicking blank area below. That was so much fun I thought I'd add another row as a mod. That would make it easier to edit delete a single mod during design. The second line doesn't show. So then I tried adding to the first line expecting to get a sub line as I did on cabinets- doesn't happen can only add a full line.

Thanks Scott- will try that. Your faster (and surer) than me, I did a couple of hours including videos before resorting to the pass through, then fiddled some more before asking. I don't get it, maybe it's regional? but almost all the ones I run into are like what I'm after.

I can't figure out how to add information to the sub category once I have it? I tried that yesterday, and again today. I get the column in the schedule no problem. It doesn't appear in components except as a drop down in the sub category column, same in material list. In preferences I can add a sub category under categories- no behaviour options I can check off sub category to show in reports or master list. The "mods" sub category is not available as a separate option. What am I missing?

I run into a lot of these- bay window where the casing is a picture frame flat on the wall. Tried a few things, checked videos and can't find the answer. I fudge this moving the bay out of the way, then adding a pass through and moving the bay back. Close but no cigar. I can't get the bay to move close enough to the interior. How do I do this please? Bay WIndoe casing.zip

Thanks for all the help. I understand where the components, comments etc are. Just wanted to move or eliminate some. The only thing I didn't know was that comments (and description and code) change if the cabinet is altered in any way. I'd done this one with a finished plan so didn't run into that. That sort of leaves me hanging. It may not be a bug but leaves a lot to be desired in my case. No place to add notation to a cabinet and have it stay with it through the endless client revisions. So moving columns or changing the list wouldn't is moot.. The material list has too many components that I don't want and would have to edit out of each and every cabinet. I read up on that and don't see it as a simpler answer (and from haven't noticed that folks on here are in love with it) But if I'm missing something. If I get this right- the only place I can add the nomenclature where it will stay put after cabinet size changes is in the label. Meaning I can add mods to a cabinet in the label as they come up and continue to work with the client. That allows having all the mods (notes as it were) in place as discussed and ready for order. Problem there is the mods can get quite long. The mods shown here are simpler than many, others can 20 characters each. Add a few of those and showing the labels turns into a mess. I'd hoped to have: a number per cabinet, a readable label, and a legend of the cabinets that relates to the floor plan number. So it looks as if I can have either ? -a readable label (without all the mods) but then no numbers and no listing of mods (unless added after all cabinets are not going to change -hah) OR numbers and a legend if I add the mods to the label in which case I can end up with labels that are a paragraph long OR go back to what I was doing using other programs to manage legend and numbers but get nice labels. Unless I'm missing something. I'd thought (hoped) that something had changed to finally make something useful possible- guess. Thanks again, I suppose this is answered-"no soup for you" just not sure what to click on if someone else wants to know.

I don't understand the permanent? I'm editing the comments in the component list for cabinets by selecting them in the plan- does not have an affect on other cabinets I place, perhaps because I already edited the labels? The jpeg doesn't show the "comments" column simply because I didn't scroll over- I know it is there- that is the problem- have to scroll over for each. I'm finding nothing in the cabinet DBX that allows me to edit the comments? Attached is a schedule with comments - this is what I'm after. I need to: -have a numbered list that corresponds to the floor plan - have a that which is new for me and reordering is easy enough (compared to 2020) -display cabinet modfications, hinging, and finished sides with the cabinet If I can keep this live just in CA it cuts down on mistakes, makes checking easier AND eliminates having to edit this all manually elsewhere so can keep it live with the plan. It doesn't sound like I can get there from here without scrolling across, which is an improvement but time consuming since I have to do it individually. For brands I carry that support it I can do this in 2020. It adds the mods easily BUT is brutal to reorder the cabinet numbering (besides I avoid using it if I can)

I'd tried the material list preferences, thought that had an affect on what showed up in the components for individual items but doesn't for me. I need to edit the "comments" for specific cabinets- or find another way to add what I need to end up on the schedule? What am I missing?

Finally figured out a way to get a semblance of a cabinet schedule I can use, almost. I need to edit the "comment" on a fair number of cabinets to make it work. I'd like to move that column further to the left so I don't have to scroll across for each. Is there a way? While I'm at it- is there a way to specify what schedule items end up on? There are a number of items (valances, side panels, molding) that would need to be a part of the cabinet schedule but don't want to show up there. I mean that is where they get ordered. I managed to fudge a few (not molding though) using something else but there ought to be a better way?

I only use laptops. Since I travel with it extensively (and I'm a runt) I prefer 15's to 17's. I think that it is a little less overhead on the video card? at least there are fewer options out there with bigger vid cards for 15's. In the studio I run one or two extra monitors- a Dell IPS24, a Samsung 18, and a Toshiba 14 displaylink (usb connected) that I take to meetings. Hope to replace the 14 with a 15 soon. Both listed in my signature work fine- the Sager is much faster than the Dell. Sagers are the same chassis as Joe's beloved Asus. The Sager was 2k. Since I just do interiors that may matter-but I do a fair amount of new construction and often drawing the entire house- though don't mess with much with the roof and no terrain. My files run between 7 and 14 MB and top out at 20-25. I'm indiscriminate about what is running, usually have at least two plans, a layout, 3 elevations, 2 perspectives- minimum and several other programs running. The most I'm likely to run is 4 plans, layout, 6 elevations, 3 perspectives; Turbocad, 2020, Bluebeam(4 tabs), Firefox (8 tabs), open office, intellect, a photo program (usually XnView) Directory Opus, and an explorer window or two- with one external monitor off the V card and one off the USB. I might shut something down if doing much in 2020-it's badly behaved. I looked recently looked into replacing the Dell for my other designer, went over to XoticPC. They carry a number of brands of the gaming machines (MSI, Asus, Alienware,Sager ..), Many with good customization. After checking them all it still looked like a Sager for my needs- bottom end for me was about $1500. Since I've come to believe in buying as much machine as I can afford I'm likely wait until I could go 2k again. Unless we get desperate AND I find something adequate for a grand. I've not needed support but understand that Sager is not really great and that Xotic is actually better for support. The comparable Asus machines were pricier, had fewer ports that I need and use the same chassis and case. I know nothing about the support from Asus though.

Thanks-Rails or walls for pantry? what for walls upstairs? Tried a few things- not the sharpest tool.. Got two walls good, third with exposed framing instead of rock, holes in cieling, roof and exterior walls- resorted to p-solid for now, only needs to look right really but want to figure it out- will go to old forum after I get it price up. Didn't think you'd be around, aren't the big guns about to tee off?

Pantry in a corner- cathedral ceiling, single story ranch. Need to be open above pantry-architect wants a platform on top of pantry. Draw as half walls, adjust size and looks fine. But if I add a door and I lose the wall above. Draw as normal walls, turn off auto rebuild, change room definition and structure tab for the pantry to height I want but walls take on the other room height. Someone know how please I've played with what I know to no avail?

Solved it sort of...just got off with tech support. Kilgore;yes they do. It was one of the (biggest) advantages it had over 2020. Why... New construction or an addition- architect sends me a pdf- it is to framing dimensions; or we measure new construction once framing is up but before drywall because they want the kitchen layout for electrical and mechanical. I get info on casings, we put that into the defaults,check the window schedule and use the appropriate RO's Set up the drawing based on that, switch dimension defaults to use interior surface of wall and casing, hide the layer with the architectural dimensions and do my job (like make sure that the cabinets don't encroach on the casings) So in x6 I can still tell it to dimension to RO and wall framing. And it does. The first problem I had was apparently the file I was sent to work on was done in an older version. I sat down to my assistants computer and did a new plan and got dimensions to snap to RO and to wall dimension layer no problem. That is the good news. The bad news is that at least from X3 through x5 I could specify how much to add for the RO. That allows me to use the window schedule. That is no longer available. The RO is set, worst part is it is set at a default to add 1" to each side. Just checked -Anderson is 1/4 and Marvin is 1/2. Added after- had a thought last night and it worked. In case anyone else runs into this. I found another solution for some windows-windows for Pella and Anderson from the mfg catalog use the correct RO- Marvin doesn't guess since the cat is so old. Haven't found which doors work yet but didn't look that hard- don't see any interior doors so may try creating a door symbol in premier and exporting- if that works I can make a few more for assorted roughs. Will update if that works Fortunately I upgraded one license to premier so can fudge around it or we can mathlete adjusting every opening so the casings are correct. If I use Premier that now means the initial drawing has to be done on that machine- which I upgrade for doing the final drawings...not happy. The second license becomes a lot less useful. I do intend to upgrade the other this year but matter of money.

Anybody with X6 interiors? My secondary license is the Interiors version. Just had a new hire working with it- draw a kitchen that is new construction based on field measurements. Actually the kitchen was drawn- just go in a make it match the existing ROUGH dimensions. I use a separate dimension default for that than I do for kitchens- locate the wall dimension layer and rough openings. Same one I use for the pdf's sent me by architects. Two things- 1-pulling dimensions does not locate anything at openings??. 2-??I can't find a setting for rough opening in the door or window DBX. Which I'm guessing is why it won't locate the roughs, even though that is still an option in locate under dimensions. Please tell me it is somewhere to be found? I'm missing something somewhere? they didn't make it impossible to dimension to RO for the interior version did they? seriously? she's just learning Chief, and I was in a meeting, became a real fiasco.

What you can get is defined cabinets and dimensions- example below. What you can't get is cabinet construction detail To get what I show in second pic- go into your layersets (first pic)-copy the existing layerset, rename the copy. Then: turn off "cabinet counters" , see that "cabinet module lines" are turned on, change the line type to suit what you want. I have several of these set up as annotation sets, each has a different set of default dimensions and/or turns on a different dimension layer. Should have noted for the one you see I also have all labels turned off and molding turned off- in the example wall cabinets are turned off but you can set up one to have both on. I use one dimension default and layer for wall cabinets, another for base and a third annoset/layerset that shows both of those dimension layers.

As Joe said X6 is better. I've been using UltraMon with multiple monitors for years. They have a scripting language and an assortment of free scripts available for it - some look like they may allow you to do a portion of what you're after. Worth a look see- they have a forum too. Description of scripts is here http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/scripts/

Thanks so much Joe- you da man. Just nominated you and Scott for the Players

I turn off labels for that which helps. Can also temporarily change default doors and drawers to slab, export to layout, print to pdf OR save as and never let the elevation update, then change the plan back to the original default doors (undo works quickly) In some cases I will copy the entire run of cabinets to another wall somewhere- make all doors and drawers openings with no shelves- then convert that to CAD

Agreed

Just to sing the praises of annosets, Scott, his videos, and this forum. Back a little Scott and a few others convinced me of the value of annosets, I knew I seriously needed detail from view, that project browser would help and a few other niggling things. About a month ago I converted one of my interiors licenses to premier. Been fiddling with sets for just over a week while still working. Watched Scotts videos which made it a cinch. (The ability to export and import the sets from plan to plan as I work on them is a real plus.) In that short time I have experienced a huge increase in productivity. Even more now that it is combined with detail from view (no more exporting to TurboCad to dimension cabinet parts that chief won't or playing "add line, copy and move line dimension; why is it snapping to that?!@#@". I know standard practice is to avoid using detail to view but for me it is a godsend, project browser is a big help too. I use Scott's method mostly but since I do kitchens and baths my sets are completely different. The real plus for me is being able to quickly change dimension defaults- I need different things located in different circumstances. Also need allows me to work on something easily without haveing to continually tab to select what I want, say wall cabinets without dealing with bases getting selected. I also have a number of CAD layers some of which never get printed. Sets I have so far (besides most of the defaults which I left until I get all settled) Two that use feet and inches and locate dimension layer, and rough openings. Arch and demo arch- both of which are used when tracing the pdfs one of you guys send me. For the rest the dimensions use inches, locate wall surface, and casings. Demo; As Built; Cab plan; wall cab; base cab; counters; detail, Export (so I can send the architect dwgs after field measure). Most have their own default dimensions and layerset but as Joe said there are some variations to the layerset use.Will be duplicating some of those and renaming to include the CAD guide layer so I can watch clearances. Need to incorporate other scales into the mix. I'm printing 11 x 17 most often but letter size for fax so can be printed at the other end- I've had to add other scales 3/8's for letter and larger jobs, many of my details are done at 1; 1 1/2; and 3" . Still working on it my sets, wish I'd had this sooner. Now if I could only get rid of some of those useless layers you folks need and find a way to get a decent correctly labeled cabinet list and map (I use Bluebeam for that and still for some notations )

Lew, first 30 days. I think it was an extra $100 unless during a sale (at least that was what I was told when trying to convert during a sale and complaining that conversions were not on sale despite promo saying they were) Don't really know what I paid for the conversion I just got since I put it on my secondary x5 license which was no longer on support so had to pay upgrade to x6.. I'd add that the OP or anyone is better off evaluating their needs themselves. If you call in for kitchen the line they offer is that "if you don't go inside the walls you don't need premier" I heartily disagree with that statement, more so now that I have premier.

If you need much in the way of working drawings go with premier. Most notably missing from the interiors version: detail to view which allows you to convert a view to a cad drawing- needed to fix lines created from workarounds and to dimension things that chief won't snap to (most parts of cabinets or cabinet doors), premier also let's you fix lines in layout interiors does not. When I only had interiors something had to be exported to cad to edit on every job. Project browser, aids production Anno sets - I need completely different sets than what is being talked about right now but the usefulness can't be underestimated. Some I need to have dimensions snap to "locate" certain items, others different ones. Watch Scott's videos and play with a trial. Of you get interiors and upgrade within a month there is no extra cost, other times a slight upcharge which is waved when they run a sale. Still cheaper to go all in during a sale than to upgrade, at least that's how it seemed to me. There are other little things but not as important. The downside to using premier for me is it nows has a lot of extra layers that I will never use but can't remove since the program wants them. An annoyance but for me well worth the time gained elsewhere.

Glad it helped. I often have to override the full overlay or the frameless settings since the four brands I handle (and most of the other 2 dozen I've worked with) that does those has one reveal for the tops of cabinets and another for the bottom. Creates other problems when dealing with that though- I can get the elevations and the perspectives to look correct but have to make secondary cabinets to show section through a cabinet or any that I also have to show openings for ordering. Haven't found a solution and don't expect one.

I'd go to the chief data folders and find a layout to open from explorer- if it doesn't crash then change your preferences to that file.

Make the area you want to lower into a room using the room divider tool-then break the walls at the end of the divider, Go into the room dbx set height.