Larry_Sweeney

I'm just curious. Shown in the attachment is a arched wing wall on a Victorian porch I'm designing. In the model I made this out of a series of p-solids. Does anyone know how or if this could be made from a regular CA wall? I've played around with the idea, but I'm not getting anywhere. It would be nice to have the framing. I need to show framing details, because of all the things that is going on in the way this porch is constructed. I'm sending the file encase anyone wants to tackle the idea. Berlin 07252014.zip

This home owner has some "pull". Because the house has so much "historical significance" to the area he is allowed to use the same heights as the railing is on the original porches around other areas of the house, This holds true as long as everything (architectural details) on the "new porch" matches the detailing of the original house and period it was originally built.

Jim..........Yes, that will cut the rafter tail, but it also makes all the rafters in the roof plane the same size as the gable sub fascia instead of what I have it set to as 7 1/4". I think this should be or is a bug. I think the gable sub fascia should only affect the soffit area framing, not the entire roof plane. That is unless I'm missing something. I have the gable sub fascia set at 4 13/16" to allow me to make the gable trim detail I show.

Robert....I thought it should, but it isn't as I have shown. This is also why I show all the settings that I think pertain to "cutting" the rafter. I've played around with all sorts of combinations of settings, but so far I haven't found the right combination. Every time I make a change in the settings I rebuild the roof plane to see what that change does. I was hoping that possibly someone would pick up on the dbx that I might have set incorrectly.

Is there a setting to cut this tail level to the soffit so it shows correctly in a detail? I'm showing what I consider all the settings that deal with changing the rafter and what my setting are set too. I know I can do a cad detail and change everything manually, but I'm trying to avoid it if at all possible. CA keeps telling us that their goal is to make the model as accurate as possible to avoid needing better cad tools or using cad details at all. There "should" be a way to show this rafter tail correctly. Thanks to all in advance for your time and advice.

As I mentioned in the previous thread, the point where the sloped wall started was determined by the height I wanted the top of the wall above the treads. There are other areas on this old Victorian where there are similar details and I'm trying to keep those common heights/details on this new porch addition.

One thing I really like about 3D modeling is that you can "build" the product/model and see that your ideas really work. I've been building and designing since 1972 and in that time I've had a "few" projects to build (especially from the "hand drawn days") that looked interesting on paper, but in practically there was no way it could be done. With CA and doing the "unusual" at times I'm not sure if CA is "telling" me it can't be done or that it can be accomplished, but CA can't do it. That's what is great about this forum. There is usually someone here that can "fill" me in on the "can and cannot" of CA. Mick.......That was my first thought, but CA would not let me make correctly. When you angle the wall coming right off the end of another wall CA makes the connection pointed instead of a square cutoff end. (attachment) I then realized I needed to have the level flat area a short distance so when I changed the wall's slope to follow the stairs the wall would be at the correct height above the treads. Some time ago I think there was a discussion on how to not have a angled wall do this at the connected spot, but I haven't looked for it get.

Bill......I'm finally understanding what you are saying. Whether in CA or "real life", the way I have this flared railing shown will be a real PITA to deal with. Would you (or anyone) have a better suggestion on how these flared steps could/should be done? I appreciate your and others help and advice on this problem. Thank you to all.

Perry......I guess you didn't see my edit. I meant "gable sub fascia". I have a freize board detail in the gable. When I turn off soffits my rafters are once again 7 1/4", but I loose my frieze detail. (attachment)

I specify 7 1/4" rafters for my roof, but if I make my gable sub fascia 5 1/2" all my rafters on that roof plan go to 5 1/2". What am I doing wrong? Edit.........I should have written "Gable Sub Fascia Question" as the topic

Bill.......If I'm understanding what you are showing me, CA will cap the "rail" wall I have in my model if it is just a rectangular board with square edges for the cap. As soon as there is a "molding profile" ( even just rounded over edges?) on the sides CA will have "problems". Is this correct? I'll have to play around with this sometime today. Appreciate the time you've taken to work on my problem. Do you work with SU much? If so, do you think SU can accomplish making the railing cap?

Bill.......All this is ia a compound miter. It's all in finding the correct angles. Bryce.......I've scratched my head on this type of compound angle before. I "think" I found a work around. It's a real PITA, but it doesn't look to bad. I took the original 3D molding line I used in my first thread and made a copy of it. Then I turned off the molding on all the lines except the top one. I then took the copied 3D molding and turned of the top section. After that I sat the original 3D molding and the copied 3D molding on top of each other. By moving the molding lines around a little I was able to get a satisfactory look. It's not perfect but it'll work. I think with a little more playing around a person could learn to do this "fairly" quickly. The left side went much faster that the right side and looks a little better also. It's still a PITA, but it can be done. The actual molding profile probably makes a difference also. I'll have to play around with it some more.-------ANOTHER DAY! BERLIN FLARED RAILING 2.zip

Am I trying the impossible with a 3D molding? For the "railing wall" I used a regular exterior wall and then resized it to suit my needs. I then tried using a 3D molding of the entire rail cap but I get the odd results shown in the attachments. I also tried using p-solids, for the areas of the railing cap directly on top of the wall with a combination of 3D moldings on the sides of the rail cap, but I couldn't find the right combination for the compound angles I'm trying to achieve with the angled railing wall for the steps. (This style was used on "level" railing around the porch) The client keeps making what he thinks are minor changes, but for me (and CA) they seem to me major hurtles. I hope I'm making sense of what I'm trying to accomplish. It seems I'm always taxing my abilities and CA's to the limits. My rail cap could quite possibly be accomplished in SU, but I have only work in SU a couple of times and it has been almost two years ago. I hate to have to go through the "learning curve again". Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated. (I'm coffeed out!) BERLIN FLARED RAILING.zip

Support more or less told me some time ago "The squeakiest wheel gets greased first!". Soooo.....start squeaking.

After doing some more searching I found the answer. This is the correct answer to the problem. It's from Kenoeightspot (Bill Page)............Click on the "Spray can Icon" then check the "Use default" box, then click on the top and bottom walls and see if this changes your walls back to the default wall types. Thank you Bill.

That was my first thought also. It's in the 3D View Defaults.

I have a wall with the same material (wood shingles) on both sides. I decided to make it a pony wall and change the lower pony wall's material to white beadboard on the inside. When I look at the wall in the window when setting the wall type it shows beadboard in the correct area. When I click on the wall in render view and go to the material list for the wall it shows the interior lower wall material as the white beadboard, but when I view the pony wall in render view it stills shows it as having shingles on the lower inside wall. when I click on the lower inside pony wall with the "adjust material definiton" tool it shows the shingles as it's material. Anyone have an idea what's going on? I'm not posting the plan at this time because I think someone probably knows the answer.

Bill......Thank you so much. It's the "little things" that can drive me up a wall sometimes. Your time, help and advice are much appreciated. Have a great day!

Bill....... I finally got my corners to connect, but I still have the bed moulding projecting through the roof on the left side of the gable. There is no projection of a bed moulding on the right side. I did/do have "EAVE ONLY" marked, but the molding still shows. I'm not sure what is different between your changes to eliminate this moulding through the roof and what I have. I'm sending along my revised plans with the corners connected and my bed moulding projecting for the roof. There must still be something different. Thanks for taking the time. It's always very much appreciated. Mark....Thanks for taking the time. I looked at and studied your suggestions. I see you changed the pitch to get the connections and also some of the overhang distances. This morning. when I got up to the computer, I completely rebuilt the short roof on the gable end and then they connected. I did this last night also, but it didn't connect then. As I mentioned above to Bill, I still have the moulding projecting through the roof. I'm sure we'll get the problem solved. Thank you again. Have a great day. BERLIN REAR PORCH 07192014.zip

I have two roof planes that will not connect. As far as I can tell everything is the same. The small roof on the gable end doesn't "connect" at either corner. ("B" in attachment) Also a section to the shadow board is sticking through the roof. ("A" in attachment) This only sticks through the roof on one side of the gable end. I deleted surfaces to try and see why or what was sticking out and noticed there is only a short section of this molding. (?) I've been frigging with this problem way too long and am getting nowhere. It's probably something simple I'm missing, but I need a new set of eyes (brain) looking at it------mine is fried. I attached the plan if anyone wants to take a gander at my problem. Thank you. BERLIN REAR PORCH.zip

Yes CA, this (SPAM) is getting a little ridiculous!!! Let's have a response to this "S**T"! This spam is going to "bite" us one of these times and when it does the crap will hit the fan.

Scott...... Remember when we talked about "STRETCH" in this thread sometime ago? http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62903-Edit-Area-in-Cad-Detail!!!!

Glenn.... Here is the thread where we went into detail about a cad "stretch command" form sometime back a year or two. http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread.php?62903-Edit-Area-in-Cad-Detail!!!!

Glenn....This is "sort of" true when moving cad in a floor plan (edit command), but go to a cad detail and try to use the "edit" commands ----they are greyed out. We talked about this back in the "old ChiefTalk" but so far I've been unable to find the thread. I'll keep looking for it and if I find it I'll post the thread here.

Just a note.......Your pinth block should be as high or a little higher and deeper than your base. Then even if it did return you would not see it.