HumbleChief

Curious Jared are you able to train on X9?

Have done many, many gut and rebuilds, heck it's a lot of our jobs to do just that pretty much every day. I'm fine measuring whatever version of 'everything' one chooses but did you see this software in action? Check the videos of people actually using that software. There's no output that I can see that even remotely resembles the marketing hype. And for measuring everything (whatever that term even means) the more stuff in a room the more confused it gets and the more unreliable the output. Again, a brilliant tool but seems like it might work OK in every market but the Architectural and Design businesses. Would love to be proven wrong and find a new techy tool that really works in the field I live and work in but haven't seen it yet. As a side note why would one need to measure 'everything' in a kitchen or house that's being gutted? I mean it's being gutted right? Aren't the big 4 or 5 enough? Like dims, window/door placement/heights; ceiling heights and a couple notes as reminders?

Just wondering...

Did you see the real world results in a couple videos? We are obviously talking about 2 completely different businesses but for mine - not anywhere near a useful tool - today. Tomorrow? Who knows.

Real world unboxing and test.

A little more...I absolutely LOVE the idea and the execution seems flawless and the marketing, oh yes. even better. Check the below video at 1:35. If a user has had even the tiniest bit of 3D CAD experience they would know how deceptive this part of the video is. Structure sensor will play almost no part in creating a 3D presentation for your client, unless you pay $30 for each room to convert the data into something even close to usable, then stitch those rooms together? How? Could you use aa ACAD file in Chief from it? At $30 a room? And get the information within 48 hours? Maybe Sketch Up? Love love the tech but it's not a business - I'm out. (in my best Shark tank impression.)

OK, so let's say you have a 3D representation of a room with 'everything' in it. Then what? What do you with that room's information? What's the next step in the design process? I am all ears/eyes when that gets figured out but for now what could one possibly use the information for? If I am remodeling an interior I need room dims, window locations, door locations, ceiling height - done. Add a few more details for the more anally challenged and you've 7 of your 10 minutes remaining. Someone please prove me wrong and show me how it speeds up my work flow when it currently doesn't need fixing.

Seriously. Again, a real world home designer doesn't have to measure 'everything'. That's my point. Real World as builts don't require everything be measured and in 10 minutes, in a single room, you can get WAY more data and measurements than you'd ever need for a real world remodel. Even 5 minutes would be an extremely long time, again real world useful information. Can't see any use for it. It is still very, very, cool. but again who's it for? Home remodeling designers? Contractors? Tech geeks? How about you Lew? When you did real world as builts did you measure 'everything'? And if so, why in the world would you do so?

Great great toy for those fascinated with technology but like Chief's Room Planner no real world application that I can see for a busy, serious home designer. What use is a 3D scan? And then $30 per scanned room to turn it into CAD? Seriously? Where's the market? Who needs this? What problem does it address? The 10 (5 for most) minutes it takes to measure a room? Would any Chief user find this truly useful - in any way? Other than the cool which only costs money for the entertainment? Someday this stuff will be amazing and actually useful, today not so sure.

Perry, I just used this technique on a remodel we have in the building department now. We ran a double sill plate around the existing ceiling joists (using the floor above's structure) and set the new second floor joists on top of that - worked a treat.

Looks like Michael answered your question with a nice video. I'd like to add one thing to this discussion and that is I think the features that Chief has for framing are brilliant and very flexible, really impressed with what can be done in Chief. Without this forum it would more difficult to figure out, but with it - brilliant. Thanks for everyone's input, I for one really appreciate it.

Quick FYI, Michael's plan seemed to work OK with changing joist direction for me.

Was able to duplicate Glenn's step by step method even with Auto Framing on. One thing I can't explain is why that second joist direction arrow effects the ceiling joists below and not the floor framing above. After more experimentation still don't know why the second joist direction arrow effects the ceiling joists below and not the floor framing above. Could be a bearing line function? Since there are no bearing lines between rooms perhaps the floor joists build accordingly and won't be changed until a bearing line is added? In that case the only thing left to build is the ceiling joists below? Dunno but if that's true it's a valuable bit of information. Pretty sure this last part is true. Interesting...I tried a few options and the function seemed to work until the end of the video then it didn't and got what looks like the condition you were dealing with. CORRECTION: At the end of the video I did not have ceiling joists turned on so pretty sure it was working consistently. Either way a great study in Chief and I learned a lot. Thanks for all the help.

Always helpful Glenn, Scott thanks very much.

NICE work Shane

Ceiling plane is quick efficient and flexible. Thanks again.

Great tips - thank you.

Yes! Never really knew that nor does the he!! box (structural dbx) give even the slightest clue that's true; nor does any Chief instructions or help suggest that dbx has no effect on a first floor room's ceiling structure (why the $%^# is it even there on a 2 story build? Once you know it you know it but finding out takes a lot of trial error and work. STILL hate that crap structure dbx and the more I learn the worse it gets. Unless of course "you know how Chief works..." which is a crap excuse to keep that thing in a program as mature as Chief. [/rant]

Thanks but tried everything I could throw at it - got nuthin'.

Yes you are right, no one has suggested this method. I was responding to the question as to how that framing detail came about. ..and you cannot add framing to the ceiling structure...or at least I couldn't and get it to show up anywhere. You can see how I got there, again, if you can make it through the posted video. Not that I recommend the method.

I'll change my post - thanks. Still dumb and counter intuitive.

I created a floor above that room and defined that floor to have an added framing layer, then lowered the ceiling. Video shows it if you can make it through.

And just to repeat, if you want to change the ceiling structure of a first floor room you cannot do so by changing the ceiling structure of that room. Really? Yes really. You need to change the ceiling 'finish', add a ceiling plane, or add structure to the floor above. Just to be clearer the ceiling structure dbx of a first floor room has no bearing or effect on that room's ceiling structure. Sigh...

Here's the exterior wall condition I get when defining the floor above to have an added layer of framing.

Does that frame William?