Carpenter4 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I draw a 16 x 16 bedroom and do a material list. Sq ft for carpet is correct, LF of baseboard is correct, drywall is incorrect. It shows only 8 sheets and I would need 16 sheets for the walls. Also, why does it not calculate drywall for ceiling or is it only doing the ceiling and not the walls? Bedroom Material List.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Ceiling and no walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Beats me, I would also like to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 what happens if you put a roof on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Same thing, nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 hmmmmm, looks like that should be sent in. I get the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 OK, here is what I am getting. I have tried going into defaults and changing the material to chief's wall board, 4x8, 1/2" as I just had drywall selected. However nothing changed. I get WB2 in sf but it is wrong. THe 8 sheets listed is for the ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 This is (in a way) logical. The "Room Material List" includes everything inside the room perimeter. It uses the wall surface as the limit of what's inside and what's not. By definition, the Structure itself is not inside the room. If you really think about it the Walls, Floor Structure & Ceiling Structure are not a part of the room - they simply enclose it. The Floor Finish and Ceiling Finish are considered as being "Inside the Room Perimeter". Perhaps a toggle (checkbox) to include the surface wall layers would work, but it's never going to be a perfect fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Joe - by that logic then no DW should be reported. As it is now some is and some isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Dennis, Take a look at the Room dbx. The Ceiling Drywall is in the "Ceiling Finish", not "Ceiling Structure". I'm not saying that Chief should include the Ceiling Drywall, but if you add the Ceiling Drywall to the Ceiling Structure and eliminate it from the Ceiling Finish it won't be reported in the Room Material List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I draw a 16 x 16 bedroom and do a material list. Sq ft for carpet is correct, LF of baseboard is correct, drywall is incorrect. It shows only 8 sheets and I would need 16 sheets for the walls. Also, why does it not calculate drywall for ceiling or is it only doing the ceiling and not the walls? I don't appear to be having that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Joe - it's more the inconsistency I am talking about. What is the correct procedure for setting up to get the proper output? Personally, I really don't care because I always do a manual take off when needed but since I chimed in on this I would like to know the correct way to set things up based on Chief's process for generating room material lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Joey, Your Material List is for the entire structure. Try it with just a "Room Material List". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Joe - it's more the inconsistency I am talking about. What is the correct procedure for setting up to get the proper output? Personally, I really don't care because I always do a manual take off when needed but since I chimed in on this I would like to know the correct way to set things up based on Chief's process for generating room material lists. Dennis, I don't think there's an inconsistency here at all. I think the "Ceiling Drywall" is an effect of having Drywall as a part of the "Ceiling Finish". With Walls it's part of the "Wall Type" so for Ceilings it should probably be included in the "Ceiling Structure". I have it set up that way in my Defaults so a Room Materials List doesn't include any drywall at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 "I have it set up that way in my Defaults so a Room Materials List doesn't include any drywall at all. So, is that the intended set up from Chief? I do not have the OOB profile plan so don't know if it is or not. I'm not trying to say what is right or wrong but to understand the proper set up. Maybe many of us have made a mistake and unknowingly set it up wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 "I have it set up that way in my Defaults so a Room Materials List doesn't include any drywall at all. So, is that the intended set up from Chief? I do not have the OOB profile plan so don't know if it is or not. I'm not trying to say what is right or wrong but to understand the proper set up. Maybe many of us have made a mistake and unknowingly set it up wrong. No, the OOB setting has the drywall in the "Ceiling Finish". IMO that's just a left over inconsistency from long ago. Remember that we didn't always have the "Room Material List". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 "I'm not saying that Chief should include the Ceiling Drywall, but if you add the Ceiling Drywall to the Ceiling Structure and eliminate it from the Ceiling Finish it won't be reported in the Room Material List." Just re-read this. OK, I see your point BUT. I think Chief should clarify this Seems like a set up for conflict to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 If you use the calculate materials with the materials area select tool it will give you everything including your wall and ceiling drywall. That is a nice tool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Joey, I don't know what your settings are, but for W2 I get the color W1 I get ceiling, but I'm missing walls for some reason and thats using the tool. I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_NY61 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I see what I was doing wrong, now when I select the room again with the tool, the wall comes in as SQ FT not number of boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I not as advanced a you guy's but it seems to me that if your going to have a tool called "Room Material List" that it should be complete or don't have it. Maybe that is why Chief came up with the "materials area select tool" because it works great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builtright3 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I see what I was doing wrong, now when I select the room again with the tool, the wall comes in as SQ FT not number of boards Mine come up in numbers of sheets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Mine come up in numbers of sheets The units of reporting depend on your material definition. Specifically wether the Material Type is Area or Sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_Gavin Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Rethinking my previous posts. I am a remodeler. When I want to remodel a ROOM it should include what is on the walls. i.e. - repair/replace drywall in master bedroom. I don't look at a room as what is on the floor but the whole room including walls and ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyToo Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The units of reporting depend on your material definition. Specifically wether the Material Type is Area or Sheet. Glenn, where specifically is this Areas-Sheet setting you are referring to ? Also, when I select a room and go to Materials - Walls - Select Materials (see attached) and change to say 4' X 12' Sheets of 1/2" Drywall, it is not reflected in the Materials List, instead it list 4X8 sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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