Help with @steve_nyhof garage doors symbols

[GeneDavis]

@Steve_NyhofThanks for doing garage doors but I cannot figure how to get a door with lites in the top panel, using your .lib items.

 

When I look at my user library in the library panel, I can see the various choices, but when I go to select a library item in the door spec dialog, they aren't there.  All I have is the single panel strips, which repeat to populate the whole door opening, but I want lites in the top row.

[Steve_Nyhof]

Hi Gene,

 

There should be complete garage doors in the library as well with a top row of glass. Let me know if you cannot find that. 

[GeneDavis]

There are, but for some reason when I go to my user library in the door spec dialog, which is the only way to get a garage door in a plan, I do not see the same library items I see when I view my user library in the library panel.  The library panel has the doors with glass, the library is not the same as when going to the user library in the door spec panel.

 

Here I show the selection I get in the door spec.

[Chrisb222]

3 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

I go to my user library in the door spec dialog, which is the only way to get a garage door in a plan

 

Not the only way, you can place the door directly from your Library Browser.

[Steve_Nyhof]

Yes, please drag the door you want from the library onto the garage wall. Thank you

[GeneDavis]

And I have now discovered that this is the ONLY way these library doors can be placed.  Thanks.

 

[Joe_Carrick]

Gene,

If you set you Garage Door Defaults to use the Library Object it should work for all new doors placed.

[GeneDavis]

Hi @Joe_Carrick@Steve_Nyhof@Chrisb222 this whole exercise has me a little confused.  I have made garage door symbols and placed them in my user library, and can place a default garage door first, and then open the door for edit of its spec, and change it to one of my catalog doors.

 

My user catalog doors (the ones I made) can also work by direct placement, that is, with the garage door tool active, I can click one of my doors in my user library panel and click/place it on a wall.  That click/place works with the doors I have from Steve, but Steve's cannot be found if I do a garage door as described in the above paragraph.

 

The do not appear in the library when in the dialog.  See pic attached.

 

So what is the difference between how I did my garage door symbols, and how Steve did his?

[Steve_Nyhof]

Hi Gene,

 

I am not looking at my doors, but maybe as a symbol I have some option not set. I did make these in X15 while still learning Chief so it is possible I do not have something correct. When I want to use the garage doors I just put then in the plan on my garage wall and move on, so I have not tried what you are talking about. Now I am curious as to what is different.

[Steve_Nyhof]

What I am finding is that it needs to be a symbol to show up in the DBX

https://my-plan.stevenyhofdesigns.com/v/W7xS5a3le3OoCEuhaSUw

 

Here is more of why the one works and the other does not

https://my-plan.stevenyhofdesigns.com/v/LfjOvLqiaAst1tXNT5CT

[Chrisb222]

36 minutes ago, GeneDavis said:

Hi @Joe_Carrick@Steve_Nyhof@Chrisb222 this whole exercise has me a little confused.  I have made garage door symbols and placed them in my user library, and can place a default garage door first, and then open the door for edit of its spec, and change it to one of my catalog doors.

 

My user catalog doors (the ones I made) can also work by direct placement, that is, with the garage door tool active, I can click one of my doors in my user library panel and click/place it on a wall.  That click/place works with the doors I have from Steve, but Steve's cannot be found if I do a garage door as described in the above paragraph.

 

The do not appear in the library when in the dialog.  See pic attached.

 

So what is the difference between how I did my garage door symbols, and how Steve did his?

 

Yes, I understand. The doors I created can also be selected within the DBX, regardless whether the default door is a Library Object or a standard Chief door style. 

 

I knew this when I posted and assumed it's something about how Steve created the doors, but I don't have his catalog so I didn't comment on that.

 

Here's my catalog if you're interested:
 

 

[Steve_Nyhof]

@Chrisb222 So based on my videos, what am I missing on my doors that could make them work?

Thank you

[GeneDavis]

I am a long time Sketchup user and for me it's easy to create doors and then import them into Chief.  The symbol-import dialog allows you when importing to do DOOR category and then when checking advanced options to create the symbol as a garage door.  When I do a garage door this way it gives the ability to select it in the door spec dialog from library AFTER placing a default garage door.

 

Doing it all inside Chief, i.e., creating a door using solids then blocking or whatever, if the same sequence of symbol creation, DOOR, then ADVANCED, then in options, GARAGE DOOR, you get the same results.

 

 

[Alaskan_Son]

9 hours ago, Steve_Nyhof said:

What I am finding is that it needs to be a symbol to show up in the DBX

https://my-plan.stevenyhofdesigns.com/v/W7xS5a3le3OoCEuhaSUw

 

Here is more of why the one works and the other does not

https://my-plan.stevenyhofdesigns.com/v/LfjOvLqiaAst1tXNT5CT

The difference is likely whether you add to library as a door or a doorway.  One is a symbol and the other is a parametric door object.

[GeneDavis]

@Steve_Nyhofplease describe your procedure in creating the garage door symbols.  Show us with screencaps if you have the time.

 

An example of a garage door I did is this 6' w x 8' h overhead door with lites in the third panel up from bottom.  See the two screencaps of my Sketchup model.

 

I do file>import 3D symbol and find the .skp file in my files, click to import it, then choose that it will be a door, do advanced, then under options, choose garage door from the dropdowns.  That's it.  Once in, the 3D symbol is opened for placement of stretch planes so the door can behave parametrically.

 

What was your process?

[DBCooper]

Michael is correct.  One of the library objects is a symbol of a door panel and the other is a full garage door.  You can only choose a panel symbol from the door dialog but you can place either from the library and into the plan.

 

[Alaskan_Son]

8 hours ago, DBCooper said:

Michael is correct.  One of the library objects is a symbol of a door panel and the other is a full garage door.  You can only choose a panel symbol from the door dialog but you can place either from the library and into the plan.

 

...in addition, it should be noted that when pulling and dropping directly from the library:

• a Door symbol (panel) will just be the panel used for whatever style of door you have specified in its Options tab.  When dropped into the plan, it will respect its Size, Position, Label, Materials, Components, and a few other settings, but everything else about the newly placed parametric door object will respect your current defaults for that door type.
• a Doorway object (parametric) will carry over everything about the door--Door Panel settings, Casing and sill settings, Jamb, Arch, Framing, Rough Opening, Energy Values, Schedule settings...everything. 

If you want to just use the panel itself, then add to library as a Door and make sure none of its settings are silly unless you want them to be unique for a very specific reason.