dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Does anybody know how to change the material defaults for a ceiling frame. The OOB ceiling planes uses the room finish for the drywall and it uses fir framing for the framing of the ceiling frame. Can I change the default for these two materials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Don't know but since it's a roof tool, try changing the roof framing? Or try changing it in the room dbx for ceiling framing for that room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Don't know but since it's a roof tool, try changing the roof framing? Or try changing it in the room dbx for ceiling framing for that room? I would try that, but my roof planes are good. It is when I build a ceiling plane in MY PLANS, not an OOB plan...... the rafters are made of STUCCO and the ceiling finish has two materials that are z fighting, the two materials are STUCCO and the DEFINED ROOM FINISH. I think I will send this into the muckity mucks at headquarters. Those guys know everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sorry, but I don't have my laptop out, but can you select the ceiling plane and frame that ceiling plane only like you can now frame a roof plane by itself now only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Sorry, but I don't have my laptop out, but can you select the ceiling plane and frame that ceiling plane only like you can now frame a roof plane by itself now only? If you select a ceiling plane, the only material you can change is the ceiling finish and only after you unselect USE ROOM CEILING FINISH. I do not see a way of changing the ceiling plane framing materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Well, as a last resort, you can always turn on framing in plan view, select the framing and then change it. I showed this at one of our last user group meeting for doing exposed ceiling framing for a specific situation. I changed the framing size, lowered the framing and changed the framing materials for the framing of a ceiling plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 You could also make those changes in a 3D Framing View. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 You could also make those changes in a 3D Framing View. The problem with this is if you change material of the auto framed ceiling, auto framing must be turned off.... not what I want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Defaults>Floor>Structure jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Defaults>Floor>Structure jon I must be missing something.... I don't get it..... this is how you change the default materials for a ceiling plane? Oh I see, miscommunication, you are talking about a default ceiling for a room.... I am talking about a SLOPED CEILING PLANE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 It controls the finish layer without the need to build framing. You could try Default>Framing>FloorX>"Ceiling Structure" or Default>Rooms>Normal Room. I'm not sure what hierarchy CA uses. If you go through the framing defaults, then you'll need to add your finish. jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 It controls the finish layer without the need to build framing. You could try Default>Framing>FloorX>"Ceiling Structure" or Default>Rooms>Normal Room. I'm not sure what hierarchy CA uses. If you go through the framing defaults, then you'll need to add your finish. jon It seems that you know what you are talking about. Here is the challenge, please post a small plan with the default ROOF PLANE FRAMING material using a BRICK material and the default CEILING FINISH of the ceiling plane to be CERAMIC TILE. I would like to see if I can open your plan and draw a sloped ceiling plane and get a BRICK MATERIAL for the sloped ceiling framing material, and a CERAMIC TILE finish for the sloped ceiling finish material. Thanks Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 What I suggested originally, Defaults>Floor>Structure>Ceiling etc. jon Ceiling Planes.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 What I suggested originally, Defaults>Floor>Structure>Ceiling etc. jon Thanks KT for the effort, but I do not think you achieved the challenge. What did you not do? 1. The roof plane rafters are not ceramic tile, they are fir framing (my ceiling plane framing members are stucco, why? I don't know) 2. The ceiling finish does come from the ceiling, and I get that, that is what I was getting, but I was also getting a stucco finish that was z fighting with my CEILING FINISH MATERIAL. If I don't hear back from headquarters, I may post the plan to see if you can figuratededed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 You may have painted your rafters / ceiling joists, try using default material. Then you can change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Here is the plan, see if you can figure it out. Note the material of the sloped ceiling joist rafters and note the z fighting for the ceiling plane ceiling finish. Nope, I did not paint. KT CEILING PLANE PLAN 1.plan.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 The plan I opened has SIDING VERTICAL assigned to the ceiling joists. Didn't you mention stucco - or did that change before you posted the plan? I don't get any z-fighting between the ceiling surface and the ceiling joists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I have siding vertical for the rafters, and some kind of green fascia for the ceiling plane rafters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 It's yypically stucco. This plane its siding, explain that. I bet if in render mode and rotate view, you see z fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 When I assign USE DEFAULT to a ceiling joist, it assigns FASCIA 1, which is the default material for your roof rafters (DEFAULTS>MATERIALS>RAFTERS). So those two things seem to be tied together. However, if I delete your ceiling surfaces, add new ones, and build the framing - I get SIDING VERTICAL on the ceiling joists. Weird. Still no z-fighting, even in Standard View. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 just uncheck use default ceiling material and no z-fighting for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 For me , when I opened it a few materials weren't there, I forgot to look and see what they were, I'll check again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Even when I re-assign the default roof rafter material (DEFAULT>FRAMING>MATERIALS>RAFTER), then rebuild your roof framing, it doesn't use the new default material - it uses FASCIA 1. FASCIA 1 is your default for fascias. So re-assigned this material, rebuilt the roof, still get FASCIA 1 for the rafters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Did you change the fascia in the "materials" section of defaults? just changing the roof DBX won't change all existing rafters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlackore Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Perry, yes in Defaults. Another thing I notice is that if you uncheck "Use Room Ceiling Finish" in the ceiling plan dbx, the ceiling plan completely disappears in 3D, no matter what material you assign to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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