jcaffee Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I'm trying to get a guide rail on the downslope side of the driveway and a retaining wall on the upslope that parallels the roadbed (slightly inset for the guide rail) . The driveway roadbed is two stacked roadways. I've tried terrain walls, railings and fences with no luck. They just fall into some unknown terrain abyss. Please, can somebody point me to a KB article or video that 'splains me what I'm doing wrong! Files attached. jon Contmpry_02_Bkup.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 That my friend is a very clever use of the road..... a road under the road........ learn something new everyday...... somebody will probably help you with this...... if not, I will think about it and maybe help tomorrow in the AM, must go home now and take the grandson to the pool...... it's over 90 degrees out here today...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Put in your retaining wall, then you must put terrain elevation lines in on each side of wall, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 retaining walls are only at ground level unless you do as Scott suggests or use a cross section elevation to change the height manually so it might look as though they "disappear" http://www.chiefarchitect.com/support/article/KB-00652/9/Chief-Architect/Walls/Changing-the-Height-of-a-Retaining-Wall.html do fences recognise "roads" ? (you said you used a 2nd one in green) do other fences recognise the terrain with the follow terrain setting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 To get the retaining wall I put elevation lines on up side slope, for railing wall it is a 48" hi terrain curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think the best way to do a retaining wall is not to use a Retaining Wall. Use a Terrain Break to get your change in levels (you don't need a retaining wall to do that) and then use a standard wall to just face the retained bank. You get this sort of effect: You can see the bank on the left hand side which is made by just the Terrain Break. There is a standard wall on the right, drawn in after using the Terrain Break. The standard wall is much easier to edit than a generated Retaining Wall, which usually ends up a mess with a many, many beaks in the top and bottom that are just too hard to edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think the best way to do a retaining wall is not to use a Retaining Wall. Use a Terrain Break to get your change in levels (you don't need a retaining wall to do that) and then use a standard wall to just face the retained bank. You get this sort of effect: You can see the bank on the left hand side which is made by just the Terrain Break. There is a standard wall on the right, drawn in after using the Terrain Break. The standard wall is much easier to edit than a generated Retaining Wall, which usually ends up a mess with a many, many beaks in the top and bottom that are just too hard to edit. I agree with Glenn. The method Glenn is talking about is to use a NORMAL WALL and a TERRAIN BREAK in lieu of a RETAINING WALL. I have done many vids on this method. What Glenn failed to out line is you will find yourself editing both the top and bottom of the REGULAR WALL. This is not bad, just maybe a bit tedious for this particular plan. The advantage is you can control the top and bottom of the wall whereas if it was a RETAINING WALL, the top of wall will follow the top of grade (high side), and the bottom of wall will follow the bottom of grade (low side). I almost exclusively use the TERRAIN BREAK/WALL method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 The standard wall is much easier to edit than a generated Retaining Wall, which usually ends up a mess with a many, many beaks in the top and bottom that are just too hard to edit Hmmm, sounds like CA needs to revamp this tool ... Glenn/Scott: \ thanks for the info on a work-around Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 The standard wall is much easier to edit than a generated Retaining Wall, which usually ends up a mess with a many, many beaks in the top and bottom that are just too hard to edit Hmmm, sounds like CA needs to revamp this tool ... Glenn/Scott: \ thanks for the info on a work-around Lew Not a workaround, just an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Scott: back to semantics again if a tool which is designated as a "retaining wall" is not doing the job then using a "regular wall" is a workaround the average chiefer getting started is going to read the manual and the retaining wall would be the "obvious" choice using a "regular wall" would not be "obvious" and in fact is counter-intuitive Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Scott: back to semantics again if a tool which is designated as a "retaining wall" is not doing the job then using a "regular wall" is a workaround the average chiefer getting started is going to read the manual and the retaining wall would be the "obvious" choice using a "regular wall" would not be "obvious" and in fact is counter-intuitive Lew Lew, I don't care about the average chief user, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. If the average chief user does not have the time to learn the system, I don't care. There are some of us here who are pushing the limits and pushing CA. CA will never be ahead of us. BTW, I am not sure what the problem is, the retaining wall works for the average chief user. But us nit wits in here who live with stuff 24/7 are always looking for better and faster ways of doing things. So funny, you are worried about the average chief user, I wonder what the heck the average chief user did 4 years ago when this program was no where near what it is today. I pity the CA folks....... well not really...... but I was thinking today about how I am constantly tweaking the system to be more efficient...... and it is easy..... on the next job I adjust....... and those knuckleheads at headquarters are probably going through the same thoughts..... "if only we would of programmed it this way back in 2005"....... but it is not so easy for them to change the system..... they have to work with what was done back in 2005...... unless they want to "get under the hood" which is what they seem to do every 4 or 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbuttery Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Scott: it is an excellent work-around and as Glenn said in another thread it may lead CA to fix the retaining wall so it operates like the workaround then it will an "intuitive" tool again you may not care about the "average user" but CA should - CA must care cause if they get "frustrated" with tools that don't work and having to use workarounds that they can only learn thru "trial-and-error" or the good graces of posters who share them then CA may lose customers due a reputation for being "buggy" and "difficult" Lew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcaffee Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 I got tired of fussing with walls, fences, and curbs; rocks. I went with rocks, and just stuffed them in all the nooks and crannies. Thanks for all the help! jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJSpud Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Jon: That "rocks" ... what a great way to fill in those Chief sink holes. Edit: Or should I say "user unintentionally created" sink holes .... that is probably more politically correct. Chief doesn't do a #$%^& thing until we start pushing on keys and mouse buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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