HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 ...turns out it is a 'Cantilever Underside' layer that is created by default. Can't delete it, can't remove it, can't turn its layer off, or can you? Had no idea, chased that bugger around for 45 minutes. Hope that helps someone in the future. surface_question.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 You can't do anything with that, what you have to do is place your own p-solid there, then you can have it thicker and any material you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said: You can't do anything with that, what you have to do is place your own p-solid there, then you can have it thicker and any material you want Thanks Perry, I think it will come in handy in some cases but I chased that thing around for far too long this morning. Wish it was on/off by choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I guess you could make it no material or air space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Wouldn't it be great if that would also fix the vector view so we could create construction drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, DRAWZILLA said: I guess you could make it no material or air space Yeah that's what I did, video shows that but I know those videos can be long and boring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 You know what would be REALLY nice? Maybe give it its own layer so you could turn it off like every other aspect of Chief...sigh...so much for consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, solver said: Adding an additional layer to the floor structure on a Deck might work. Thanks Eric, Tried that and also tried thickening the T&G surface layer but the cantilever underside layer always finds its way z fighting with the lowest layer....with no way to turn that layer off. Looks like it worked in your pic. Did you get it to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 An extra layer can work for a deck but not for a room with a partial deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvoyeDesign Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I am assuming that this exterior room is specified as a balcony and not a deck? If so, then I think you are stuck with that. You could draw an invisible room on the floor below and specify ceiling layers, but that could be a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KervinHomeDesign said: I am assuming that this exterior room is specified as a balcony and not a deck? If so, then I think you are stuck with that. You could draw an invisible room on the floor below and specify ceiling layers, but that could be a pain. Rod, Tried it a couple ways but don't like anything about decks. Sometimes Chief remembers that it was a deck when the room is re-named and I think the cantilever underside is a great idea but why isn't it on its own layer that you can turn off/on? Oh yeah thought about the inv. walls and room below too but like you say a bit of a PIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvoyeDesign Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, HumbleChief said: Rod, Tried it a couple ways but don't like anything about decks. Sometimes Chief remembers that it was a deck when the room is re-named and I think the cantilever underside is a great idea but why isn't it on its own layer that you can turn off/on? Oh yeah though about the inv. walls and room below too but like you say a bit of a PIA. Out of curiousity I used the layer eyedropper on that surface and painted another object, and it was placed on the floor surfaces layer. I remember when this was added, back in the X3-X4 days. To me it seemed like a poorly implemented band-aid solution to a problem. It should really be a controllable assembly like floor and ceiling finish layers for a room, that is only available if part of the room has no room below. I rarely use balconies, but when I do I don't bother with it. I don't do a lot of renderings where showing texture there might be important, so I don't recall ever having to deal with materials and thicknesses and z fighting problems. I don't recall them much in cross sections either, and if needed I would just cad patch over it, and call out a detail to at 1 1/2" scale to get into the specifics. Still annoying that this area has been overlooked for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Nice catch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Open the room specification dbx for the upper floor that is cantilevering. Go to the Materials panel and select Cantilever underside. Select Material. Plan Materials. Scroll up to the top of the materials list. There is an option called "No Material". Note that you have to double click "No Material" to get it to stick, you can't use OK (at least this applies to my mac). Also note that this is not a material like "Opening (no material)" - it literally means "no material". 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, glennw said: There is a special option for cantilevered rooms called "No Material". When did we get that and where is it in the Library ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Chopsaw, It is not in the library because it is not a material. As I said, it literally means "no material" - nothing to place in the library - it is not a material and it only applies to a cantilever underside. It is not available in any other situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Well I begged Chief for that option for Landings and sure enough they put it just out of reach as a tease. All the other places that could be used to make up for programming deficiencies and no it just can't be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, glennw said: .... and it only applies to a cantilever underside. It is not available in any other situations. ...so by all means, instead of assigning a layer that you can turn on/off like every other material/item in Chief there's a special material selector for cantilevered undersides that's only available for cantilevered undersides? Really? Nice catch as always Glenn but why would Chief decide to throw this entirely new way to deal with surfaces/materials? I wasted a lot of time this morning learning about another secret handshake that's hidden within an incredibly inconsistent GUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, HumbleChief said: why would Chief decide to throw this entirely new way to deal with surfaces/materials? This may have been my fault in suggesting this as a solution but as with other suggestions I have made the implementation just leaves me shaking my head. But then again I did not even know that this was there and of course without Glenn how would we even know how to use it if we did happen to find it. On further examination this is actually not a new feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennw Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 It reminds me of Chief's "Main Layer Only" layer. What sort of layer is that? It sort of works, but is a long way from the definition of a traditional layer. It's more like a setting than a layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleChief Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Chopsaw said: ...the implementation just leaves me shaking my head... This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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