Jones_Drafting Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Having a challenge with window & door labels showing thru the house, i.e., window labels from west side show up on east elevation also.....for example... Anybody have this problem & find fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 There was a thread awhile back about this problem. Mine was cabinet labels. Cabinets in another room would show on the elevations. You could not select them, turn them off, etc. I resorted to using "whiteouts" to cover them up. I believe Chief's response was, "Don't use the SAM method for plans." I never understood how deleted cabinets could have an affect on the new cabinet elevations using the SAM method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones_Drafting Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Ridge_Runner said: There was a thread awhile back about this problem. Mine was cabinet labels. Cabinets in another room would show on the elevations. You could not select them, turn them off, etc. I resorted to using "whiteouts" to cover them up. I believe Chief's response was, "Don't use the SAM method for plans." I never understood how deleted cabinets could have an affect on the new cabinet elevations using the SAM method. Not familiar with SAM method... what am I missing? Thanks for your reply! Cris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopsaw Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jones_Drafting said: Not familiar with SAM method... what am I missing? This is an advanced drawing production technique pioneered by Scott Hall that can still, after all the years he has been perfecting the system, create unseen issues within the software. This will give you a quick overview: https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/1959/process-for-creating-new-plans-using-the-save-as-method-sam-by-d-scott-hall.html?playlist=142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 The SAM method basically saves a current plan using the "save as" option, giving it a new name, delete what you don't need, and use that as your new plan. Scott Hall, and others, use this all of the time. There are several threads on the forum dealing with this method if you will do a search for "SAM method." That method allowed us to keep things like cameras, details, schedules, etc. already set up in the plan several versions ago. Much easier to do that now with the changes to Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm not sure, but I think it's possible the problem could arise when re-using cameras. Try this.. Move your camera to where the offending window and door labels are visible. Open the door DBX while in that elevation view, click on the label tab, and then select "Hide In This View". Once you do that for all the necessary objects, move your camera back into position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alaskan_Son said: Open the door DBX while in that elevation view, click on the label tab, and then select "Hide In This View". Once you do that for all the necessary objects, move your camera back into position. I will have to try that next time it happens. It is not consistent; happens sometimes, doesn't others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I use a template method and not the full s.a.m. method and I have seen it also. I guess I use the almost sam method but there's nothing wrong with SAM if you don't mind all the junk in the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WendyatArtform Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Ok - I'm going to be a tad ornery. So don't read this if you're not in the mood!!! SAM is not so much "advanced" as it is common sense. Doing a SaveAs to generate a new project based on an old one is no different than doing a SaveAs to show a client a design variation. To me, it's common sense, standard operating procedure! Editing and variations are as much a part of design and my elbow is a part of my arm. So, while Scott has done a great job in 'splainin' the process and benefits, this should not be viewed as somehow exotic. imnsho. ;-) So - I'm calling a bug a bug. Oops. She said that out loud. Michael - good tip on the Fonzy move to correct this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 It only happens with certain conditions, but I don't yet know what conditions cause it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones_Drafting Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Thanks for all the help. Chieftalk really is extraordinary, in that regard. I've contacted an exterminator. Cris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 What kind of graphics card do you have? We have seen some people have this problem because they are using a particular graphics card that has a bug in the driver. The solution for these people was to adjust the Hardware Edge Smoothing in the Render Preferences. Try changing it from Low to any other setting to see if the problem will go away. If not, then I would suggest you continue working with tech support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan_Son Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Dermot said: What kind of graphics card do you have? We have seen some people have this problem because they are using a particular graphics card that has a bug in the driver. The solution for these people was to adjust the Hardware Edge Smoothing in the Render Preferences. Try changing it from Low to any other setting to see if the problem will go away. Just thought for anyone who has this problem... Consider the possibility that if you take an extra minute to just "Hide" labels for the offending objects, you can likely retain your desired Hardware Edge Smoothing Setting. It might take an extra few minutes for each plan but it's a "lossless" solution in that you don't have to give anything else up. You might be able to solve the issue by adjusting Hardware Edge Smoothing but then you lose full control of that setting which may result in longer rendering times or less than satisfactory 3D views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge_Runner Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, DRAWZILLA said: It only happens with certain conditions, but I don't yet know what conditions cause it Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermot Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 For most video cards, you will probably see very little difference in performance between setting your hardware edge smoothing to High instead of Low and it will probably make your camera views look better. For anyone else that is still seeing problems with extra or missing elevation labels, I would encourage you to report these problems to tech support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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