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Build boxout wall under roof eave / soffit

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Greetings! Just when I think i know what i am doing I learn I know very little at all. ;)

 

I am trying to build a 1' out x 9' wide exterior wall that is under the 1' eave of the roof. I don't want it to have a roof of its own. I have attached a picture of the wall i am trying to build. Can someone help me?

 

When using the bay window tool there is an option to build under existing roof plane. I figure there would be something similar for this but haven't found it yet.

 

I edited the three walls that make up the boxout and changed the roof overhang to 0" but when I build the roof it still builds then 12" as thats the default for the rest of the roof.

 

This is a common architectural detail, I'm surprised it isn't easier.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Charlie

Keck boxout.JPG

Casey & Jessica Keck Deck X7.plan

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4 minutes ago, ArtisanDeck said:

Can someone help me?

 

Only if you tell us what the problem is.

 

 

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Chief is building a roof plane over the 1' boxout wall but I want the wall built under the main roofs soffit.

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Draw the principle structure, then build the roof. Then draw the bump-out.

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rlackore - Okay i see how this can work but once I start building the new covered deck then the unwanted roof plane will be built again.

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Turn off Auto-build for roofs. And I wouldn't draw the bump-out as a deck, just as a normal room - though someone else may disagree.

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rlackore - Sorry for not being clear, the bump-out is an exterior wall and part of the normal room like you suggest. The "deck" is what I will be building as an addition to the home once I have the "as built" plan finished. 

 

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Turn of auto-build for roofs, or alternatively define the bump-out main wall as Roof>Extend Slope Downward, and the bump-out side walls Roof>Full Gable Wall, then manually adjust the overhang.

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Yep, ended up just manually deleting unwanted roof plans and extending down main roof plane. I guess I will just do this again when I auto build my roof over the covered deck.

Still hoping someone has a more legitimate way of building these but I understand a lot of what is built with Chief is by "hacking" it manually.

 

Thank you for your help rlackore and solver!

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Create a separate room for the bump out with an invisible wall between the main room and the bump out.

Uncheck Roof Over this Room on the Structure panel of the bump out room dbx.

Build auto roofs.  

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6 minutes ago, glennw said:

Create a separate room for the bump out with an invisible wall between the main room and the bump out.

.......

 

I do not think I agree with this.  I do not think the wall should be invisible so you will need to put an opening in wall  (in lieu of invisible wall),  use a door or a window opening to create the pass thru in lieu of using Glenn's invisible wall.  (BTW,  I am not considering the auto roof build)

 

Excuse me while I go out into the parking lot to fight this out with the Great Glenn Woodward.......

 

.....   nuts,  he took a cheap shot and gave me a black eye.......  

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7 minutes ago, dshall said:

I do not think the wall should be invisible so you will need to put an opening in wall

 

Why not an invisible wall?

 

I do them Glenn's way, so it's 2 to 1 now...

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I also use an opening b/c, what about the wall above the opening, if invisible, you won't see the wall above the opening , outside or inside depending on the box out  condition

 

 

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Scott,

 

OK, I have the boxing gloves on.

You did not explain why an invisible wall is the way to go

53 minutes ago, dshall said:

(BTW,  I am not considering the auto roof build)

And why aren't you considering the auto roof build - you should be!

 

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1 minute ago, DRAWZILLA said:

I also use an opening b/c, what about the wall above the opening, if invisible, you won't see the wall above the opening , outside or inside depending on the box out  condition

 

 

Perry,

If it is an invisible wall, there is no opening and no wall above the opening..duh.

This is not a bay or box window with different floor or ceiling heights - it's part of a room.

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That's what I'm talking about!!:lol:

You have to put a dropped beam through there don't you

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Perry,

 

Yes, my mistake.

The ceiling height needs to be lower or raking.

I will now take my bat and ball and go home!!!

I use this method because I don't do framing and I don't do interior views, except in special cases.

I think it is also the best way to do auto roofs - which I do n 90% of my work.

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8 hours ago, rlackore said:

...alternatively define the bump-out main wall as Roof>Extend Slope Downward, and the bump-out side walls Roof>Full Gable Wall, then manually adjust the overhang.

roof.PNG

 

Yep.  I think this is how I would do it.  Even if you need to make changes later.  Its only a couple clicks to auto-build roof again and a few seconds to drag the overhang back again. 

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Yeah,  what Perry said.

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Yes!!! The separate room with no roof over it was the solution I was looking for.  I owe a big THANK YOU to Perry, Scott, Glenn and everyone else!

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