MarkMc Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I run into a lot of these- bay window where the casing is a picture frame flat on the wall. Tried a few things, checked videos and can't find the answer. I fudge this moving the bay out of the way, then adding a pass through and moving the bay back. Close but no cigar. I can't get the bay to move close enough to the interior. How do I do this please? Bay WIndoe casing.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Okay, I just wasted 15 minutes trying to help. I am no help. Why these bay windows have been so hard to deal with, I cannot explain. Plain silly. Hey CA, you program these windows, have you ever tried to use what you programed? For the last 8 years bay windows have been difficult. Please fix this so us nit wits can work with them. Mark, try the manual build, unfortunately I think something has changed and that is difficult now. Good luck Bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Thanks Scott- will try that. Your faster (and surer) than me, I did a couple of hours including videos before resorting to the pass through, then fiddled some more before asking. I don't get it, maybe it's regional? but almost all the ones I run into are like what I'm after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution dshall Posted June 8, 2014 Solution Share Posted June 8, 2014 Here is a vid Mark. Nothing new. I built the bay manually. I guess I just live with building manually and ending up with a SQUARE vs ANGLED OPENING. Sorry, best I can do, maybe somebody else can make it work..... maybe CA can make it work for you.... what a concept. http://youtu.be/7yFSBeL7Hlw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Just use the inset box, if that is what you want--not sure moved window.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Thanks for the vid- looks like the way to go- at least a bit better than what I've got. Think I can make it work out with your second method, a few psolids and some molding- at least to keep client happy. The upside is I only need the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I can't get the bay to move close enough to the interior Sorry . this confused me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Sash inset wont help but I used Mark's Pass through solution with a Box window recently but had to increase the FRAME depth so it would show white all the way to the Pass through's casing/frame in 3D. May have played with the Pass through's Frame setting too? Is that a library Window or just the Bay Window Tool ? Here that is usually called a Kitchen Garden Window , they work pretty well for increasing light and making the Kitchen "feel" bigger... M. Edited: correction sorry .....there are two Inset settings frame and sash....not sure if the Frame inset will help but in the Pass thru work around above I set the window frame to 12" deep see the image below. Sash Specify the size and position of the Sash. Increasing the Side, Middle, Top or Bottom decreases the area of the glass. • Specify the Side width of all vertical sash members: those at the window sides as well as the central members of casement and sliding windows. This is also the width of the top portion of the window when an arch is specified. • Specify the Middle width of horizontal components between the top and bottom sash in double hung, double and triple awning, and double and triple hopper windows. It does not affect casement and sliding windows. • Specify the Top and Bottom sash widths. The Top value is not used if the window has an arch. • Specify the Depth, or thickness, of the sash stock measured from the exterior to the interior. • Specify the Inset, the distance between the frame and the outermost sash. If there is no frame, the inset is measured from the outer surface of the wall’s main layer. Frame Specify the size and position of the Frame. If this value is set to zero, the wall’s main layer thickness is used as the frame depth. • Specify the Side, Top and Bottom widths of the window frame. • Specify the Frame Depth. This value cannot be less than the wall’s main layer thickness. • Specify the Inset, the distance that the window frame is inset from the exterior of the main wall layer. Normally, the outer surface of the frame aligns with the outer surface of the main wall layer. A positive value moves the frame towards the wall’s exterior while a negative value moves it towards the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 It's the bay window tool for that one. Using a combination of Scotts slam it into the corner after: making casings 0 (Simply unchecking didn't work as well), no trimmer (already had that), change default minimum for mulled units, and set rough allowance to 1/4- then using Perry and kbird suggestion I played with the frame on the pass through- set the depth DOWN to 2" and inset to 4"- then just for grins I went back into the component windows of the bay and made the interior casings 2" which closed the gaps and didn't move the window -Pretty close to real life now. Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Thanks for the update .... I thought I had seen this type of window in one of the Window Library's eg Marvin but I guess not, the search function aint to helpful without knowing the exact name of the window type etc.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAWZILLA Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Around here the window frame is usually never the thickness of the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I believe those Bay Windows are Andersen. I have a set of symbols I did for X5 and used them as (exterior fixtures, hangs on wall). I used a PassThru Window as the hole in the wall with frame, casings, sill and apron. X6 made it possible to make the symbols as projection windows, but CA didn't get the Casings, Frame, etc correct with relation to the Projection Window. The discrepancies were reported to CA during Beta but there have been no fixes for those yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkMc Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 I believe those Bay Windows are Andersen. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Hi Joe, did you post those windows for X5 on the old forum ? I'd like to look at them if possible... Thx. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Mick, I will have to do some archive lookup. I should be able to find my X5 Library tonight. Let me know what size you need and I can post it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Thx Joe but don't waste too much time if it's a big deal but if you have them a 36hx36w or 36hx48w would work since its normally above the Kitchen Sink so would go in 42" off the floor. I assume it's not resizable then from your comment? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Mick, Technically they can be stretched, but the 2D Block doesn't stretch the same as the 3D Symbol - requires a regeneration of the 2D Block. For that reason - and the fact that Andersen makes these to specific sizes - I prefer to just have a full set of their stock sizes and avoid any resizing operations. It shouldn't be a problem for me to find them - I just never bothered to bring them forward to X6. I need to do that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Ok thanks ...I'm not on X6 , so please post as X5 or earlier ( multi version possible?) thanks. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Mick, I have the X5 version on my office computer. I'll export tomorrow and post it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 appreciate it Joe . Never made symbols , just a few Blocks , so if it is made in one version it is only good for that version or newer versions ? just curious as I see symbols on the other Forum but most I can't use , not having X6. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Attached is the full set for X5. They should also work in X6. Note that they are designed as exterior fixtures that hang on the wall. For the opening in the wall you should use a "Pass-Thru" Window sized appropriately with interior casings, sill and apron as desired. X5 Andersen Unit Bay Windows.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Thanks for taking the time Joe , much appreciated, will try and play with these later. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbird1 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Thanks Joe , those windows work well , they are on the Furniture ,Exteriors layer so I switched it them to Windows Layer , I assume that's no issue right? definitely easier than messing with the Bay window tool so thanks again. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Carrick Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No problem - Chief limits the Layer according to the Symbol Classification. If CA gets the X6 implementation of Projection Windows fixed I will then create actual Window Symbols out of them and we can skip the process of the "Pass Thru". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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