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What Joe said. Been running x9 since first beta on both machines listed in signature. The 9150 has just a tad more juice than you list-not enough to make a difference. Had an issue when first installed the beta which was specifying X9 to use the NVidia card. But not sure what could be up with not getting CA to close unless it is related. No problem here with that. I can't agree that X9 is not ready. I did get a couple of error messages yesterday on the 9778 - may have been pushing things - 4 plans (28 mb ea), layout, 6 cad details, 5 elevations, 3 perspectives, Firefox 4 tabs, Edge (Honda Classic Stream), PIM, Directory Opus, 2 Win Explorer, Bluebeam w/4 files -all open using 3 screens. I put it off to the specific plans, all derivative of one that's had an occasional issue in the past, created 7/15 .Closed CA, reopened and all was fine-no loss.

I think the couch is the problem and that symbol isn't uploaded. There are some free mesh reducers out there. I used one once on some furniture-have to experiment to find a balance between faces and looks. Don't remember which I used-not loaded on this machine-might have been meshlab.

Thanks Jon, was hoping, just yesterday I was thinking of trying to dig up your stuff on the old forum about post production. (you wouldn't have a link would you?) Hijack anytime-I'm not proud

You mean the Boxx for that right? I configured a Sager to match for $2700-2900. FWIW Dual GPU 1070's puts it at 3100. Getting stupid with it-4k, dual 1080s, two 1TB SSD, 32 gb a mere $5500 OP was looking for a 15" in which case similar build Is about $2400.

Not sure if vid is up yet. Meeting went a bit long and at times through the woods. I've promised to bite the bullet and do a vid or two once the macros are done. Thought that was going to be this week but just got buried for a bit again. Hey if I manage to get to Providence I'll do it live for ya (VBG) What I have in mind out of what was in the meeting- macro labels and the replace from library (should be short) OIP and schedule with schedule to online order, and schedule to spreadsheet order using drag and drop for either. Likely will include a method to shorten looking up pricing for spreadsheet orders. Then schedule to 2020 item list for order (but it looks like I have to send the machine with 2020 in for service and refuse to put 2020 on this one so may take a while) An abbreviated-annosets the way I use them for kitchens - focus on dimensions, easing work, set up for cabinet detail, and layout views. Cheryl- once you get labels in Chief that match your brands nomenclature (via macro), and mod codes into the OIP (hence into a schedule) THEN-you can copy the schedule, paste into a spreadsheet (or word process) and copy each into the item list in 2020. Note that 2020 does not allow drag and drop of text so it must be copy paste. I'm writing 2 and maybe 3 macros. The first one is the worst and least likely to match other brands easily but it's where I started. My hope is that the other two might be easy to adapt to specific brands since they are more like what is out there (may end up also doing a Wood-Mode macro since I'm transitioning into doing just drawings and potentially have one client for that). IF they are too difficult to convert to another brand there are always the macro/ruby folks who can do that for a fee. (I'm not that good at it so no).

Sure looks like a Clevo to me? Just for grins a comparable Sager can match the specs (maybe not VR? can't tell) for a grand less (first link)-in the same budget you can get dual 1070's (second link looks to be the same Clevo model?) http://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=1056 http://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=1234

I just downloaded it to check-seams ok.

Only if you use the blender option (paint roller) using the material painter places the color. I checked the color from the BM catalog and it is fine OOB, so not an X9 thing. Must be some other cause for the transparency.

Plan would help. Have not seen that and use BM all the time and just tested again, not reproducing. What color?

I get the same result with no cabinet next to it but works correctly with a cabinet next to it. Not sure what is different between us.

Nice drawing (as always)

This one has the door on the side instead of the back, front is changed to blank

I've found it good practice when importing SU symbols to use "advanced options", rename all the materials and to replace them with something already in my library or plan. Avoids headaches later. Read up in the reference manual about stretch plans/zones and origins if you have to play with symbols. A lot of symbols can be made from cabinets. If they are not sufficient then polyline solids and molding lines can be combined but both have a few quirks. Attached was done with a cabinet and the first sink I got hold of, a custom countertop which was moved and opened to specify the thickness to a dimension instead of take from cabinet, then one sink was inserted, then copied (placing more sinks won't work but copy and paste will). Once done can be saved to library. File attached to give you an idea.

I'm on my second Clevo/Sager. Clevos where what the original Alienware laptops (pre Dell) and I think the original ROG machines also. I like that the configuration options are broad per model, no bloatware, and they don't have to look like a neon gaming machine. Prices are in line with or a tad below some of the others. Several models available with desktop processors (no Intel GPU so no Optimus), and also with desktop GPUs. I believe that some now have upgradeable CPUs and GPUS. I think that all the gaming brands now offer at least one or two of those now though. Bought the first one from Sager, second one from Xotic PC (who also handle other brands). There are a few other vendors (listed at Notebookreview.com forums)

Jon, at my last real job they looked into MS Dynamics but not for that. All more than I understand but any accurate and timely pricing would make lots of folks happy. I've been lobbying my brands to simply support text (csv) import into online ordering systems. Again at my last gig, we carried Medallion and the way to get pricing out of 2020 into the online system was to export as .txt which was just a csv file. It would be easy to turn a cabinet schedule into a csv for items. Global header items (species, style, color would take a little work as it stands now but simple enough). The only downside would be that changed orders would likely need to be done as a new quote but I do that already anyway to keep a running record of price changes (did it in 2020 too). Less overhead, maintenance, support calls, for manufacturers; easy for KD, fast and accurate; good for CA. (Then if CA provided a way to have field for global header items...) I'd encourage anyone to lobby there suppliers for that. For higher end brands, the ones that don't support or work well with 2020 that may not work. It would work for 75-80% pf the brands out there. Scott, thanks for hosting. I was surprised at the number of building folks that signed up. I hope that I was able to give a little insight that may help with dealing with their kitchen people. For a number of builders, designers and architects that I work with we work with the client on the kitchen while the rest is being decided. While what I do is at the bottom of the ladder it helps avoid having plans done only to discover that the appliance package the client wants can't work in the space available. I completely agree and that cuts both ways. Improvements on the building side make it easier for me to use CA to the fullest with things I might not otherwise. Being able to show a client the adjoining spaces, include stairs, put a deck outside the sliding door, and being able to easily alter the envelope makes me look miles ahead of the place showing them two walls for an ell and no other rooms. CA sells jobs. I'll have some time over the next two weeks to work on the label macros and will do a vid (on no Mr Bill) on that and another on using the schedule into order systems, 2020, and spreadsheets (made to look like order forms).

Thanks to all for being so kind and special thanks to our host, Scott, for keeping things lively Did me some good since have been trying to update stuff and that put a fire under my but. I received a couple of questions and there were a few loose ends. I posted a zip file with a plan and layout, a bit rough around the edges but that might be worth digging through, a forensic investigation. It's in the tips and techniques section here.

I received a couple of question from folks at and after yesterdays GTM I'm attaching a plan and a layout in a zip file. Consider this something for forensic examination-to use to figure out how you want ot go about things. There are very likely mistakes, I'm certain that some of the label macros need work and in the course of putting this together some unwanted ones may have dropped in from the library.. There was a request at the meeting for annosets. I agree with Perry and Scott that you need to put together what works for you but this may help get you going. The annosets here are a recent update to mine and may have mistakes yet. Started with something, a year or so later updated it, learned some more, fudged it as I went, now going working on a new and improved revised set. No you do NOT need to change annosets with every release. Yes you can use the same annosets for multiple templates (reference manual). OR you can use different ones. It's a good idea to export them somewhere (like the CA data file) with a date associated for when you muck them up or need to go back or want them somewhere else. I keep a second set that is less used for new construction that is different than my everyday remodel set. Just cuts down on the clutter. Label macros included- the principal I'm working with is to use one macro while I work so I know what is going on, then to change all the cabinets on the primary layers to have another macro that works for ordering nomenclature (3 inch increments for example) To get any of the macros out you open the macro management dbx pick it and export- then do the reverse in another plan and import (HIT F1) There was a question about the molding warehouse- included some in one room with a note. Don't forget to play with the new drag a profile from the library feature. Countertops-no chief will not automatically label finished edges- see the plan, keep some text int there and copy and paste. (maybe someone from the dark side can write a macro for that but I'm not going there.) A few ways to get millwork and other things into a schedule- included one arch block turned sideways to show the problem from using them. couple of odd symbols thingies for the schedules. Included-an architectural block with a wood hood and a blower insert inside it. The blower insert is currently set so you can't really resize it without going into the symnbol DBX and changing things (look in the reference manual and play with it -best way to learn) You can use this to see if the blower you want will fit in the hood the client wants. Glass house view, cross section slider, backclipped elevations. Odds and ends-if you have not seen Scott Harris method of globally changing kitchen cabinets you should check it out. Basically he keeps a couple of cabinets on the side in different door/color/construction. Then picks one and sets as default (one reason I ONLY use cabinets that respect the defaults even though some things don't AND naturally changing from overlay to inset requires some heavy redesign) There was a mention that 2020 will underline a label if you alter the size of a cabinet from the default. Chief won't. Thing is that 2020 will also underline the label if you add an accessory or a modification to the cabinet so it is NOT saving you from yourself (unless you do those last) File and layout attached, neither is complete, but worth fooling with I think.

Attached PDF with Hafele-surface in a drawer and some folding supports. Some other options can be found at Richelieu here

I use Chief for design, 3d Views, generating order listing, and details as necessary. I stopped building cabinets 20 years ago (no CNC). So I don't need to generate cut lists. Two of the makers I work with use CabinetVision. I send in PDF's which simply guarantees I get what I'm supposed to and makes everybody's life simpler. They don't really need DWG. I also deal with a semi custom outfit that allows fairly heavy modification. They actually look at drawings sent in so again it simplifies things. All I am interested in is making accurate dimensioned drawings (easily) and accompanying schedules that match what the makers want to see for nomenclature so I get what I want. X9 has made the schedule part easier. Partial sample attached (was done in X8) Sample.pdf

Are we allowed to upload that? I have a pdf copy that is correct. Link must have changed since then.

I've never been able to make that work-not that I haven't tried.

Chopsaw- Are you trying to do this with an "architectural block" or a "symbol"? This only works for symbols. I can't find 2 1/4" Regal Railing Linepost in my library so used another post symbol in the attached. -To get a CAD block into management you name it after blocking it. Once named it should be there. -Some symbol's CAD blocks are stacked one on top of another (or I've placed it more than once dunno), in any case I move the first one after exploding it to see if there is something under it-then explode that. It is the CAD block that gets exploded, not possible to explode a symbol. (it is of course possible to explode and Arch block) Attached plan has original column that started at 2-1/2" and an adjusted one that will dimension to the post itself at 2" AND place correctly in plan. The new CAD block matches the desired size-IF it doesn't match the new size (bounding box size) it will NOT work properly. Forgot to include screenshotss Block example.plan

Yes-reset the bounding box as Michael indicates (I assume). Then in CAD block management find the original block and insert. Explode, then move that, will be more parts under it, explode and move until there are no more blocks. Resize each, Block one, center the next on it, block...etc. Name it. Open symbol, chose the new block. OFFSET any axis needed (usually the Y axis as the X is almost always centered correctly) Save.

I pasted the pass through in-the problem is where it meets the other wall, used a psolid for that. Don't think there is another way around that. Then made room molding polyline.

Look at that -name in lights-getting stage fright :)))) I plan on dealing accurate and complete cabinet schedules. That entails a combination of : cabinet label macro (I’ve been working on not quite done) combined template, replace and/or drag from library, and drag/drop mods into OIP. Few custom symbols I use for millwork will come up but don’t want to do a symbol workshop. Then getting the schedule info someplace else for use ordering. For the many of you that don’t have to deal with ordering kitchens but do end up sending work on to kitchen folks I can show orders, catalogs etc..so you know what we deal with. It may help with communication making it easier to get what you need (and maybe things you didn’t know you could have Will also go over what I do for kitchen dimensions using annosets instead of automatic or NKBA I’d guess a few odd things I keep hanging around will come up. Love to hear what other folks are doing or want to cover.