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Yes that can be done. I've been meaning to a video on that but this year has not gone according to plan so it has not happened. I did do a web meeting that I think someone recorded (Chopsaw?) and posted on the forum. I've posted assorted information in the Tips section and maybe some in symbols for getting things into the schedule that are a bit tricky. Overall to do that: Design with the cabinets from the build section ONLY do not use any of Chiefs library cabinets. Develop and save your own most used cabinets and save those to the library in the user section-by brand. Those should have labels and codes needed. I keep about 2 dozen per brand. It can be pretty easy to change those from one brand to the next and add to the library. Before adding them to the library place them on a different layer (base cabinets 2 etc) Once you have most designed use "replace from library" tp put your saved cabinets in (trash pullouts, etc) Be very careful with the default settings for everything. I keep templates for each brand/construction but usually use a template set for ceiling height and or casing sizes, then import the cabinet defaults. The thing to watch the most is the materials defaults in the overall default section THEY ARE DIFFERENT than the individual cabinet defaults. At some point it helps to have a macro for a brands label covering the majority of simple changes. Macros are a dark art, one that I started to learn then this year hit. Mine are only partially developed. Once I get some time (hope over the next couple of months) I will finish at least one or two of those off and then do the video noted above. There a couple of folks who will write custom macros but I don't have any idea of cost or effectiveness. NOTE- that with the custom macro in use, and having library cabinets on a separate layer, you can change brands by groups selecting any that did not come from the library and change the label to that of another brands macro. The single best way to get ANYTHING into the schedule is to turn it into a cabinet-look in Tips and Symbols for things I've posted. (also in that video) Learn to make door symbols it is easier than fishing them out from other brands IMO(again been posted) I carry 3 manufacturers and only one supports CA (and that is recent) Make a directory where you save all of your symbol plans for easy alteration in the future (need a wider rail-no sweat) If you use a door (or anything else often) from the main or mfg catalogs copy them to your user catalog (makes life much simpler when changing things during the process) There are tricks for library management that help. Code, comments etc go in the OIP (object information panel) There is likely some more to it but off the top of my head it's a good start. Oh there are some quirks to how CA defines finished sides- better than it was but still a couple. The biggest issue arises if you have hacked cabinets in some exotic/odd way (I do a lot) I often only want part of the schedule for the the order- can either adjust that once in a spreadsheet OR turn off columns in CA prior to copying, after copying simply UNDO. To get it into a spreadsheet just select the schedule (keep those on a CAD detail and as part of your template), copy (ctrl+C), then paste into a blank spreadsheet. A little copy paste special work is easy enough if you need to change the lines of the accessory/mod codes (I keep them separated in the OIP by colons) I left 2020 for CA X3- around 2011 with 10 years on 2020 besides other CAD experience. It was not easy BUT I firmly believe that the changes since then would make it easier. It's different though. Even with the original difficulties I had I've never given up, around V7 I stopped looking back completely. FWIW I got the program end of November and took a one day on line course with them (I HIGHLY recommend doing that to start even though it will not get you much of what you need for real life kitchen work it is still invaluable.) A day later I came down with the flu and was out for almost a month. Then had to do a complete house-kitchen, entry, office, media, two closets...I managed to get it out the door (wasn't pretty though '-> Bottom line is compared to anything out there -the learning curve is worth it. Guess I'll put this out there. By the end of the first quarter of '18 I'm scaling back and leaving my showroom. Will only be doing a minor amount of cabinet sales for select few. I intend to find a few clients to do finish drawings for (who is TBD). I've also done a bit of training and been outlining a book on using CA for kitchen dealers that I plan to write next year (once X10 is out) Though while I've written enough things like that over the years I don't have any idea how I'm going to distribute it. Besides you'll need something sooner Attached are two examples of recent jobs. Not the presentations but the final drawings. One has a schedule included and I'm attaching a CSV generated for that. The other are the drawings sent to the factory for a kind of complicated kitchen. There is no schedule for the second one since they use descriptions not codes (the acks are 26 pgs w/another 26 pages of drawings just would not fit.) Plan with schedule.pdf Recent to factory.pdf Schedule exported.csv

Attached the OOB X9 sets. OOB_X9.cadefs

I assumed it was custom of some sort though I've only seen custom curved done in frameless. If they were flat I'd guess the intermediate "rails" would likely be simply applied. In any case, pricey but someone would do it (In my old line of work I'd tell folks "If you know someone who does it don't call us"

Yes, they are inserted into the back. At some point it is wise to add another. If they were not "by others" i'd be placing them in as separate items to included in the schedule. Shelves.plan

Can do that with cabinets too, with some hacking (make brackets cabinet doors) you can have them as part of the cabinet. The advantage is they get into the schedule so you can order them. Maybe X10 will place shelves and partitions into the schedule without the work arounds?

If you're happy with the shape and don't need curved glass you can take what you have and copy it to a blank plan. Take a 3d view, then use the delete surface tool to get rid of those areas you don't want, then convert to a symbol. IF you want curved glass It can be done with molding polylines and likely a few solids for verticals OR attached was made from a curved front cabinet. A bit more complicated but may I understand what to do there better so here is ... Door for it was made using a wall cabinet-1/2" deep, 1" separations, side panel inset for the front. For the side panel inset (glass) made a door symbol that was 3/8 thick converted to a cabinet door symbol, then alter the origin (trial and error), and restrict it's ability to resize the depth by setting stretch planes at 2" and -2" for depth. Used that in a bow front cabinet- sides and back set as openings. 3D view, delete surface, convert to symbol. Image shows cabinet and completed symbol.

No it doesn't do that. Michael (Alaskan Son) posted a kitchen work triangle tool some time ago. I use it once in a while but usually just use the tape measure tool to pull a leg of the triangle to check. I frequently set a polyline with an angle cross hatch pattern-transparent backgournd, on it's own layer- makes snapping islands and such easier. Keep another layer for guides to place circles for clearance of open doors/drawers, appliances. Have all those on working layer sets but don't show on printing sets. For the rest, I guess I have the guidelines almost committed to memory but I do keep a pdf copy of them for my senior moments. FWIW I kept that feature turned off in 2020.

I use wall cabinets, face set to "blank", keep in user library. That way they get included in the cabinet schedule.

You can get two way jumps using BlueBeam or any pdf software that lets you place hyperlinks. Is that something that you are looking for? attached pdf from the tests I ran. Label for each elevation will jump to a window on the floor plan, label for each callout on the plan will jump to the page that the elevation/section is on. Should work in any pdf reader (tested in Adobe Reader) Of course this doesn't work in print. Callout test.pdf

Attached is a quick layout and plan-got it to work on both elevations and backclipped sections BUT only if the layout page label is text. I can't figure out a macro that works-maybe Joe or Michael who are better versed in the dark arts than me. Callout Test.zip

Thought about it and it may work placing a macro that converts the automatic page number to text in the page layout field? Not at computer will try later or someone?

I wasn't there but someone else had asked about this not long ago and I was interested. I checked the ref manual and it lists this as something that can be done. Just ran some tests. What I found so far is-it works only for section elevation NOT for backclipped sections (which I use almost exclusively Second it appears to only work IF the label for the layout page is simple text IOW not a macro so it does not then give automatic page numbering -at least that's all I've been able to get to work??? For it to be useful it should work with automatic page numbers?

For online meetings I use zoom.us. Can draw on anything within it. Also have a little applet called zoomit I use for in person meetings. Get that at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/zoomit

Great thanks all.

Doing an as built for a contractor I deal with and well I'm a cabinet guy-don't really do roofs. On the front of this the fascia goes away and then those little I don't know what you call em get added to the sides. I realize I could add a psolid for the fascia but guessing that there is some sort of pilot error going on and would like to know the proper way to correct it. And then the I don't know things Roof question.plan

There's a number of cabinet brands that use 16mm (5/8-I have one PIA). It only matters if you need to send in correct openings in a cad detail. For 3D it helps getting proper face heights using the specs the companies send and I sort of specialize in crazy clients.

Guess they are a little thinner than the earlier models but those specs have been around for over a year. For light and inexpensive I'm interested in seeing how the 8th gen Intel CPUs shake out. The i7-8850U supposedly fall between the 7500HQ and the 7700HQ at lower cost, better battery and less heat. There are several that have launched (mostly around $1k) but only one with a dedicated GPU (Acer Spin w GTX1050), Apple is supposedly launching one for those on the dark side. It all may become really interesting when nVidia Volta series drops combined with Intel's 8000's.

Yes. Tested before I posted with a simple plan- curved stair, curved wall, and a line, in a box. Problem with copy in place is you can't have two walls in the same place, the copy just replaces the original "in place". Ctrl alt c puts it on the clipboard. I've only ever done this with keyboard shortcuts, don't know if mouse works.

Using framed is not really a problem I have a template set for it. Actually has a lot of advantages over using the frameless designation once you need to mess with configurations much. The only time the ghost line is an issue is if you need open cabinet or getting CAD detail but CAD detail just makes for some extra lines. If you really really need it ...attached has 2 hacked cabinets and one made from a framed cabinets. For the hacked cabinets the sides are custom doors inserted into the back of the cabinet. (the only problem with doing that is if you use schedules it will automatically read as finished back) NOTE -The "door" I used is included in the plan. The toe kick is not correct on this one. I just grabbed a symbol I had set for use on inset cabinets for another reason and adjusted it a little. In any case if this is important for the few situations where it shows open up the cabinets and door symbol to get an idea of the settings. Then make some doors up to suit your need, and keep that and a few cabinets in the library. 625 side base.plan

Draw a line as a guide, ctrl alt C, reflect about line (ctrl F on my system)

Shoulda mentioned that the biggest difference between the current laptop CPUs and the desktop one is when using multiple screens. Desktop CPUs don't have Optimus to work around, get hiccups with the old 15" machine when connected to the Dell (sometimes). Decent speed for me- yesterday all day with 28mb plan, second 9 mb, plan, layout file, 2-3 perspectives at a time, 4 elevations, 3 cad details, firefox with 4+ tabs, bluebeam with 6 tabs, xNview, Chaos Intellect, occasionally open office Calc-no lag-except the normal when switching to watercolor with line for renderings.

I only use a laptop. Cooling matters for constant use or it will get throttled. I use Clevo Sagers-I like the ports, cooling and ability to customize-the one at the top of my signature was $3k and has a desktop CPU. That said with the newer NVidia cards I could see using one with a laptop CPU, more so if it's not for all day constant use ( and or fewer screens-I also run two extra monitors- 24" dell, 15" Display port (draws off the CPU not the vid card) and sometimes add in a 42" Samsung TV with clients.) An option NP8372 with 17.3" FHD IPS Matte Screen w/ G-Sync, Intel® Kaby Lake i7-7700HQ,NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 1070 [8GB] VR Ready, 16GB RAM (Up to 32GB 2400MHz) 250GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD Starts at $1700- plus the OS (120 for win 10 Pro) Same thing with a Desktop CPU 7700k adds $400 Given a choice I'd wait a month or two. New Intel Chips dropping shortly and supposedly the biggest improvement in them is in the laptop chips. Personally I'm waiting till first or second quarter of next year when supposedly yet another group of Intel Chips and some new NVIDIA chips land but I'll be looking for a rocket. You will find some similar for other brands, link I posted specializes in gaming machines there are other options.

Frameless has been like that since it was added to Chief. You can use framed with 5/8 separation and full overlay. There will still be a ghost line on cabinet sides at 3/4 that should not be there.

Yes it does but since I have to order fillers I want to place them myself have them as shortcut keys- FW, FB, FT...

Turn off "automatic fillers" in cabinet defaults general