GeneDavis

I got more deeply into notes and note schedules after reading and participating in a thread about this a couple days ago. In that thread, @gravattedesign wants the style to be, in layout display, 1/8" font height for the notes (numbers in circles or squares or whatever), and 3/32" for the note text. I think he wants a third font height, even taller than 1/8", for the note schedule titles but that is a different topic. What we don't seem to have in Chief X14 is a way of controlling the scale of either of these text elements, what Chief terms "main" in the dialog, at the time we are generating the schedule. There ought to be a way, like what we have when sending a view to layout, of specifying those text styles, sort of like the scale setting, before the view (or schedule) is generated. I did a test plan in which I set text style for note numbers for 1/4 and 1/2 scale, the heights being 6 and 3 inches. I created a "kitchen" note with the 3 inch style and a "floor plan" note with the 6 inch style. Then I generated note schedules, and those schedules generate with "main" text styles per the one and one only schedules generation action we have. What happens is seen in this image. See what we are getting here? The note text, the numbers in the circles, is set per the dialog that created the notes, thus the 3 inch height in one and 6 in the other. The other text, that of the note line and the title above, come in at whatever settings we specify in the note schedule default. I think it is best to do that default with layer text as the source, because of the way this all works now. So notes schedules like this, when we have multiple display scales in our layouts, need fixing after they get generated. The most direct way I have found is to create layers for each schedule scale. I renamed the OOB layer as for 1/4 scale and did a new layer for 1/2 scale, and set layer text accordingly. Here is what it is in the layersets dialog. I forgot to edit the line weight settings, but they don't matter here for this discussion. With this in place, you can reset the title and line text ("main" is Chief's bad term for this) so you then have schedules that look right for shipping to layout. In this pic, you can see what I got editing the schedule for the 1/4 scale to have its layer be the 1/4 scale schedule layer. And then when sending both to layout, setting scale appropriately upon entry into the layout generation, we get this, the desired look. Is there an easier way?

That projecting lip feature is all over this house I modeled, which I built-built, frame to finish, and then two years after, Chief-built, way back in X5 as a learning exercise to figure the ins and outs of finish, furnish, and lighting. The inside is all doodled up with 2D and 3D moldings and 3D solids. Chief will only take you so far in framing for a build like this, but if you are really interested, you can manually frame this, or anything.

Chief's Austin Kitchen in the Gallery section of the website. You can download the file to examine the build.

We've really no way to know about your needs without an image of some type.

Invisible walls to define the low ceiling area, then ceiling structure with 2x framing ceiling joists and whatever air gap you need between the joist tops and the framing above. Just the way it will be built.

I looked at your plan file and wow do you have way too many text styles. You created 1/2 inch scale text styles for some of your note schedule elements. I did not go through it all but stopped there. You want your notes at 1/4 scale text, and the reason your text looks goofy in layout is because your layout box scale for them is 1/4 but the text is sized for 1/2. You really ought to clean up your whole text defaults setup.

" . . . at the same scale as the drawing view the notes are linked . , , " You know you are drawing at 1:1 scale, right? And that any anno you want seen on the drawing view is sized to output at your specified size for the scale you use in your layout box? And those notes are appearing as anno in plan views that are at full scale. What's you desired output at layout? Give us your specified text heights for the note text in tables and the label text (inside circles and hexagons) in tables. Why are you mixing label shapes?

Or a material region at each opening, use concentric to give 1/8 upsize, airgap material, 1/8 thick single layer, cuts into surface? Aha! It's 3/8 thick and cuts the 1/2 drywall. Takes maybe 20 seconds per opening side. Involved a CAD DETAIL FROM VIEW move to copy each window perimeter, then upsize by 1/8 concentrically, copy/paste-in-place in section or elevation, then the MR dialog. I colored mine dark gray. Anybody wanting the expense of this in a built job surely isn't going to balk at paying a Chiefer to model it in 3D, although it seems a folly to have it in on a screen just to see when there are photos of it all over Houzz. You can trim in mahogany for the same cost of no casing plus reveal.

I'm with Michael on this one. Design problem not Chief. First rule of architecture is to consider total mass including roof arrangement, and it was obviously not done here.

Don't attach .pdfs.

Find the 2D CAD block in the symbol dialog. Note its name. Go CAD>CAD block management and scroll to find the block. Highlight it and open for edit. Select one of the perimeter CAD polylines. Open for spec. Find the one with the cuts hole in countertop spec. Looks like in yours it will be the outside perimeter with the square corners. Edit it to have fillet corners. If it is a topmount sink, edit it concentrically to be just smaller than the sink object perimeter. Save your edited CAD block with a new name. Then go to the symbol and associate this new CAD block with your sink symbol. It's harder to type out all these words than to just do it.

That item in SU is described as "Right Shoulder Horizontal 1" Webbing 1-sided 5"" What is it? My SU is the last free one they let you download to your box, Sketchup Make 2017. I cannot open any of the models that can be downloaded.

Where did you get the "custom" sink symbol? It is the symbol maker that made the error, and he or she should correct if for you. Except if it was a freebie.

You will need to edit the CAD in the CAD block file that creates the hole. Place the sink on the floor outside a cabinet. Open its symbol and look for its assigned CAD block, then find the block in your project library and open it for editing. One of the polylines at the perimeter is ID'd as "hole in countertop." That is the one to edit with corner fillets. When edited, save it and then assign it to the sink.

Use either the LB or the JB, which are meant for an app like this.

From Bridger Steel's website galleries, here is a pic of the product, called Shiplap Panel, run horizontally as you show in post 1. They make it in 12 and 16 inch widths, and your pic looks like 16. Bridger shows a section detail calling out available reveal widths, like 1/8 up to 1 inch, and it is not clear to me if the panels are made with differing male lead edges so the reveals are precise when tight, or if it is done by installer. You can use Chief's shiplap panel texture adjusted to whatever panel width you want to do this. Here is a pic of me using the texture on an inside wall and look close to see the subtle panel width change going bottom up. It goes 6 then 5 then 4. Three material regions. Three edits of the texture to get the 6-5-4 widths, and edit origin to get the seam right on the material region horizontal bottom edges.

And that brings up the question, that being should all recessed ceiling lights cut the surface just as do sinks and windows, so we get true 3D realism? I think so and will initiate a thread in Suggestions.

Your wall behind the desk niche is not like Mick's. His is a "built" wall, by that I mean framed, so that finish surfaces (drywall with whatever finish is wanted) can be applied. Yours looks like a single-layer something, which is why you get the lines. And it is not the way a builder would build it.

I like some pale color fill in details.

Nice job. For details I like solid arrowheads, and all my arrowheads are slightly smaller than my text size. That goes for plan views and elevations, too. Examples: All my 1/4 scale anno and dimension text is 4.5 inches tall, and all my arrows are 4. Details at 1" scale get 1.25 inch characters and 1 inch arrows. You might want the look of curved arrows instead of doing the angle break. To curve the line, start the arrow by dragging in the direction and then hold ALT and watch what happens. The ALT key held down enables you to curve an arrow already placed, so if I am doing curved leaders, I draw the arrows all first in the direction I want from the anno text, then go in and arrow by arrow use the ALT key and drag the arrowhead to the object or surface I want.

Ok so I drew a rectangular plan for a building with non-modular L x W. See the attached screencap. I first drew it by locating 0,0 with a temp point, and the point is shown at up left. I framed the top long wall and measured and the 2' layout was based on the zero. I then moved the building to the R away from 0,0, framed the wall again, and it behaved as expected. Then I set a framing marker at up L on the plan and reframed the wall, and of course got the expected result. But the roof, WTF? Wanting a symmetrical rafter layout, I placed a second framing ref marker at ridge center. Shown in the pic. Then framed, and Chief paid no attention to the marker. I removed the marker an the rafter layout was the same after reframing. And that rafter layout has no relationship to the zero on the building corner the wall used. So how does one autoframe roofs and control layout using a framing ref marker?

This guy uses ACAD but has some interesting stuff on his YouTube channel that applies to any software, as regards what we call layout for print. He makes a good case for varying line weights and using red for all anno. See this vid here. Note also his walls seem to be drawn as main layer only filled solid, which when you think about it makes good sense. Plan views guide the framers plus inform all users viewing them how spaces relate, flow progresses, and with anno, gives specs for all the elements like fixtures. It is in the details where features like wall makeup, framing, wall layer makeup and specs, insulation, trim, exterior finishes and weatherproofing all go. Thus those walls maybe are best shown as he does in his example. Of course, his method means you should be printing in color. Not really a big expense when you look at overall project cost.

What's the parent object of a roof plane? What is the parent object of a wall? Is it the building?

If you've not set the framing ref point and you have Chief frame, does it frame from 0,0?

Layers can do that for you. Or delete the as-built framing.