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Michael, if this was so, it is good news. I think what you are implying is that you can specify the floor joist direction independent of ceiling joist direction. If that is what you are saying, can you show a pic of the ceiling joist framed in northwest direction and the floor joist in northeast direction. IOW, the CJ are perpendicular to FJ, and they are at 45 degree angle to the walls. if you are able to do that, did you use two joist direction arrows and how did you define one arrow as controlling CJ direction and how did you define the other arrow as defining direction of FJ direction.

Well, I am not sure if that is what I am doing or what Perry is doing or what Jerry is doing or what Jon is doing. I think we are all adding the framing to the ceiling finish and not to the ceiling structure and not to the floor assembly. I do not think anybody is creating a floor above the room.... there is already a floor at the second floor.

actually to be clearer, you might want to change the ceiling finish, I am not sure if you can change the ceiling surface.

How did you define your ceiling? Did you do it the way everyone else is doing it?

Yes.

I am not sure who you are responding to, if it was me, your statement is incorrect, see picture of how I defined the ceiling. I did not thicken the drywall.

That is not so. It will frame auto..... however I will admit it is difficult to control the direction of the dropped ceiling joists. See picture, the orange ceiling joists is part of the CEILING FINISH and has framed auto. The ceiling joists of the roof has also framed auto. I did no manual framing, what you see is all auto. The orange joists represent a dropped soffit in the hallway.

I think Glenn recommends using the edit area tool and reflecting about a line. I think Glenn would agree with Tommy that using the reverse plan tool is not the way to go.

Via the ceiling finish option. Note that the ceiling finish can be any thickness you want it to be.

Karel's gazebo vids PART 1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4mh5rlayp2ztxz7/KAREL VID 1.mp4?dl=0 PART 2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifs64ck19f3wsh6/KAREL PART 2.mp4?dl=0

Yes, we are doing it for residential.

Here is a link to the long and boring video when it is done cooking... https://youtu.be/8BPwjPY1DOk.....

I will post the long and boring video if I have time. Bottom line is you wanted to put the terrain on level zero instead of level 1. Here are the steps. -save original plan as plan 2, that is your new final plan, delete the terrain on plan 2. -go to plan 1, copy terrain, go to plan 2 and paste in place. Convert that pline to a terrain and set the correct elevation.... I think it was 2667" or something like that -go back to plan 2, lock all layers, unlock the TERRAIN ELEVATION LAYER, copy that info, go back to plan 2 and copy that info in place.... I would bet you now have the terrain on level zero. Not the way I would of done it, but it is what you want and it should work for you.

It does not matter if it is counter intuitive, it's the way the program works, listen to Perry, that is what the ref sets are for. If you post your plan, if I have time, I might do a video to explain the reasoning behind the madness...... I am on a roll today doing vids......

Perfect, you are correct, you know nothing.... yet....... there are many reasons to keep the terrain on level 1...... but if I were to guess why you cannot see the roads and landscaping, I would guess you are using a floor camera and not a full camera..... and, you do not have SHOW LOWER FLOOR IN FLOOR OVERVIEWS checked........ bottom line, use the FULL CAMERA and not the FLOOR CAMERA.... I hope that helps.... you have a long way to go, but stick with it....

Holy Kamoly, by accident, you put the terrain on the correct level. Leave the terrain on level 1....... if you want to show anything that is on level 1 on level zero of your plans, use ref sets. DO NOT PUT TERRAIN ON LEVEL ZERO.

If I am not mistaken, FLW apprenticed with Louis B. Sullivan who did a lot of Chicago's multi story metal buildings after the great fire.

I was able to open a new plan, I put in base cab, and then put in upper cab, I then did a back clip cross section and moved base cab up and it bumped into upper cab, I then tried to move upper cab down to lower cab and it bumped. My cabinets bump when I am moving in vertical direction. It works for me. X9

Correct, the MULTIPLE MULTIPLE REFERENCE LAYER SETS. The ability to reference many floors. Just the other day someone was asking for STRUCTURAL GRID LINES, the MMRLS would give us this ability. You are correct, a no brainer in may book. BTW, there are many users who use the MRLS..... I am sure you are aware that before X3, we did not have this ability. I can not image working without it. The MMRLS is the MRLS on steroids. Before X3 we had the RLS.... the ability to use one ONLY ONE reference layer set per plan.

Of course if we had an MMRLS this would be a no-brainer., easy peasey.

Brotha P. it was you and me working together, I thank you for your help.

Unless someone has gone through it, they will not get it.

lol

I think Larry is exaggerating , it is only 17 people who are constantly changing their minds and requirements.

My apologies, the plans work well as they are.