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I'm so stupid, why didn't I ever post a pic, I was doing it without a ceiling, so sorry.

That is wierd Mick. I did auto build, you are getting different results than I. So if you raise all 4 roofs 8" via transform replicate, your wall plates do not raise?

Okay, I am always changing and improving my M.O. Somehow a setting got changed..... I know I did not do it cuz I ain't smart enough to do it....... but it is the 3D<3D VIEW DEFAULTS<FRAMING BACK CLIP ...... was changed to 24"......... I think Lynn changed it because I know I didn't..... .... bottom line....... my EXTERIOR POSTS supporting my back porch was made of a FRAMING MEMBER (a post)........ and since the the FBC had been changed to 24", I could not see the post in a BACK CLIP CROSS SECTION CAMERA VIEW ..... I was baffled..... suddenly a little birdie said, " hey you nitwit, change the setting to zero", I did and the post appeared as well as the beam on top...... Jeez, I am not sure why anyone would want to change the FBC from zero to 24"........ but if you do, just beware...... I am going to have to talk to my wife about this tonight....... she had better keep her paws off of my 'puter ..... thanks to the "birdie".

Wow, I reread post one and I did not see that...... and we are off..... another 20 post thread without a conclusion.... I love these.... sorry I bothered to try to help, won't happen again.

Hit F12, that should auto fix.

I know I know, TMI..... I was pretty happy not knowing all this crap.

One final note, same house, no ceiling: if I raise the a roof plane 2" over the 4" or 8" wall, the wall raises 2" if I raise the a roof plane 2" over the 12" or 16" wall, the wall DOES NOT RAISE inconsistent behavior to be aware of. If I raise all roofs at the same time in 2" increments, ALL 4 walls will not ALL raise with each successive raise, to get the thicker walls to raise, a greater change in the roof raise is required.... again inconsistent behavior to be aware of.

and the answer is....... Square house, hip roof, (4) different wall thicknesses, a 4", 8", 12" and 16" wide wall. WITH AUTO ROOFS ON AUTO BIRDMOUTH ON...... constant eave and constant birds mouth seat, birds mouth seat takes it's cue from the smallest wall, the seat does not get it's width from the wall it sits on..... makes sense to me. WITH AUTO ROOFS OFF AUTO BIRDSMOUTH ON (manually built roof)...... varying eaves, varying birds mouth seat, ..... makes sense to me. So this leads me to believe that if I build my roofs manually (and I do), I should probably define the birds mouth seat (no auto birds mouth) for mosts applications...... there is always the exception.

Attach the problem detail here and someone will come up with answer.

Appreciate your time. What sparked the question was a project with auto birds mouth on. I was using 4x6 rafters on 2x12 walls. With auto birds mouth on, you can imagine very little rafter left at end (huge c cut, not good). I had no ceiling to hold plates down, hence the need to alter birds mouth since roof already built and I did not want plates to rise. Question: hip roof, 4" wall meeting 12" wall in corner, auto birdsmouth on, auto build roofs on, 24" eave defined......will CA build with 2 different birdsmouth seat depths resulting in two different eave overhang, or will CA build constant overhang and ignore auto birdsmouth? I think what I got out of this exercise was the need to be more aware of the autu vs defined birds mouth seat. Thanks again for your input.

I guess you do listen. Everybody has given you the answer yet you are not listening.

I will forever capitalize your name Michael, and I will send you some San Diego sand.

My mistake, thus is what I was reading...... My mistake, I know Tommy knows the correct method.

my apologies for not looking at your pic. I think GW was wrong once, it was when I was having dinner with him in Sydney and he chose the salad instead of the soup. The soup was awesome.

I assume you have tried GW's method, why do you think TB's method is better? GW method is auto and auto corrects for any editing. The question is why isn't the GW method the best?

Never heard of it. I looked it up, I will cook some up, I will cook enough that if it is worthy, I will send some to you..... win or lose.

Incorrect Michael, GW has the correct answer.... I'll put up some good Mexican food against some of your salmon. The loser must send the winner the spoils via fed ex.

Ron, the only thing I hope for is for your pocket door to fame properly.

I have the plan, show me a pic of the area you are questioning.

Here is a link to the BIRDS MOUTH VIDEOS. Some interesting stuff here..... but maybe more info than you want..... https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?/topic/2646-the-birds-mouth-videos-by-dsh/

But what am I missing. The roof planes are already built. If they are already built, you can't adjust birds mouth for those roofs already built. And yes Jim, other option is to adjust rafter depth, don't want to do that. I will do vid in am so I better understand.

Good stuff Jason.

If someone asked Bryce what he charges per hour, 110.00/hr, that might scare the perspective client away. But believe me, I would rather pay Bryce 110.00/ hr than somebody 35/hr and he is no good. You really get what you pay for. So what should you charge? How good are you? Are you as good and as quick as Bryce, if so, charge 110.00/hr. I ain't in Bryce's league, somewhere along the road he raised his rates higher than mine..... nice job Bryce..... but I bet Bryce is worth the money. I quote a fairly high fee, and if someone goes somewhere else, I am in a pretty good position now that I do not care. I do not want to be the cheapest guy on the block. So funny, I used to be proud of the fact that I was the cheapest guy on the block..... and it worked okay for me...... I mean how much does it cost to furnish the underside of a freeway overpass. After we pay our dues, it's time to reap the rewards. Some of us have been paying our dues since the Magna Carta was written.... is that you JC? I have been around since the Declaration of Independence was signed......

You would think so, but I think this problem is too hard for him..... is that you JPC? Dog gone you, I still don't know why we did not get together when I was in Washington.... probably because you are too important to meet with me.

I swear, it seems eveytime I turn around my computer or my iPad or my iPhone or my libido is acting different. About to do a go to meeting. I do about 5 of these a week, about to do one now, and the GTM CONTROL PANEL is actually separated from the CONTROL PANEL WITH THE ARROW TO MINIMIZE. I'll get over this, but there is always something going on.