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michael, note the small letters, but thanks for the effort. I suppose if there is a solution, headquarters will let me know...... I think I will try 1-800-my-apple my-apple was no help..... I know CA is aware of this.... they say it is out of there hands.... I think they said it is in the hands of whoever set up their "tool kit" to do whatever...... still seeking a solution......... I think I will try Dear Abby......

It seems to me there was a ready made tray divider symbol in a cabinet specialty library. I could be wrong.

I just love to hear what Mumbles has to say, thanks Alan for the levity.

And if I can say one more thing at the risk of having tomatoes thrown at me, I have learned more from solving newbies questions than I have learned from power users. It's just that it sometimes takes a little bit more of an effort to extract the information needed to actually learn something new. How about them Cowboys? And how about them Chargers...... I sure am glad I don't live in Alaska where they don't even have a team....... Or LA for that matter........ Sorry P.

I agree with this 100%. Not only are we trying to help out the OP, we are also trying to learn something. Is it user error? Is it a bug? Is this an issue that we have never seen but a situation we can solve and learn from? While it is great you may have given the OP a place to start (BTW, he stated a non defined room was was not the case), I think we have all seen threads that go on and on, and since some of us monitor all posts, it becomes more of a burden for us. I don't know what the answer is...... maybe the answer is to simply ignore any posts that do not come with a plan....... and while this is a viable approach, it really helps no one. So I have decided to suffer through these posts that go on and on in the hopes that one day the world will be at peace, we will have no more wars, no more famine and no more questions without plans attached.

Thanks michael, I will give it a shot tomorrow.... And if it works I will start capitalizing your name.

Hey Tommy, is this how you deal with electric outlets on islands? I have never been able to figurateded it out.

Everybody should give Tommy a POINT for this one.

Interesting, Tommy says copy to user library first and then change the option to sit on floor and THEN you can put it in plan. This is a super duper secret handshake, thanks Tommy.

I will check to see if Mac Has built in PDFS.

Using CA. 'S PRINT TO PDF on the PC.

Andy Gump, that might be Andy Grump..... hey Andy, I am Mister Grumpy, please don't tread on my territory........ but thanks Andy for the help.

I assume that is adobe illustrator which is free at App Store. Thanks for the heads up, I will check it out.

My method also.

Now you are talking about important stuff, how about them Cowboys? And what about the Chargers..... life ain't too bad for me this year.

Exactly, not sure if I want to tackle something that is so limiting, multiple line notes and labels must be in the near future....... it must be....... we need it......

I think this calls for the CORNER WINDOW method that some of us worked so hard to get....... but the arch for the window is something I do not believe we tackled.

That my friend is pretty darn good. So those are not actually windows? You used a railing/pony wall for the glass.... not bad...... but you do not have a header..... not perfect... but not bad,,,,

Working on a MAC, I have (13)- 8-1/2x11 PDF's to print. They are on only two separate sheets in layout, that is all I am printing. So drawn on MAC, save through DROP BOX, go to PC to print, the file for these two layout sheets printed at 300 DPI with (13) 8-1/2x11 PDF'S on (2) layout sheets is 11.6 MB. If I add the the first 16 sheets of my plans (8.6 MB), the total file is over 20.0 MB. Actual size is 20.2 MB. If over 20 MB I cannot email. If I print at 144 dpi I get a warning that the print quality may not be very good. Is anybody else having this issue, or I am the only Sod in Chief Land with this problem? The reason for (13) PDF's is Title-24 in the land of *** and nuts. I can't believe I am the only person that is experiencing this.

Double click the window, the dvx will open...... dvx = DBX

Open window dvx, go to arch and select FLAT TOP ARCH

Jeez, I was just thinking of this and wondering if I was offending anybody, certainly wasn't intentional, I think I was going back to the Ewell Gibbons commercials about Grape Nuts. Anyway, 66% of my siblings bat for the "other team", and some of our best friends are of "The Community"... so please do not read anything into this term...... I think I might have to refer to The Great State of California in a different way...... but I do like "fruits and nuts"..... I will think about it. I apologize if anybody was offended.

.... that is so huge, thanks for bringing it up again, not only PLINES but CLOSED PLINES.

BTW, you should not have to uses Perry's trick, but if it works..... I had not thought of that until Perry mentioned it.

I get it...... can't 'splain it, post a mini plan and someone may be able to figure it out....... I think I had the situation recently and I don't remember solving it.