Diamond-built Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I am drawing a 26 x 28 garage. The client is asking for a 2 x 10 clear span ceiling joist with a strong back on top of them. What is he asking for a Steel I beam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Is your client an engineer? Your question, and the design of long span structural elements are why we have structural engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond-built Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 No he is a Framer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 This is what he asking for. I would, in return, ask him for a waiver of liability when the sag becomes so bad that his ceiling fails. I would have to double check...but I am not even sure a 9 1/4" I-Joist would span that. *Why are trusses not an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Perhaps this will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Cutting it really close.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond-built Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 These diagrams help me understand thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzira Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Joey, I think you are on the wrong chart. I suspect the reason for avoiding trusses (which would probably be a cheaper and easier to build with) is that this "loft" area is going to be used for storage. Therefore, the floor joist table would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond-built Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 No loft above from what I've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 ......is that this "loft" area is going to be used for storage. ..... Alan, that space above the ceiling joists, especially where there is a wide span, hence a high ridge, is never used for storage......... it is usually used for an unpermitted second floor. Just goofing guys, it's early in the morning, a little humor to start the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I didn't see mention of loft, but I know that a 2"x10" wouldn't work with any sort of storage or livable space at that span, so I went with the ceiling joist chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javatom Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 He is a framer so naturally, he will do it how he wants no matter what you put on the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkcDesigner Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Tail wagging dog, in construction industry again. Strangest remodel I went out on was in attic to find out where to bring stairs up. What was in attic, you ask. His table saw and other shop stuff. Home owner had all ready begun moving in to attic. You guested it, I am just a building designer and ran as fast as I could......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshall Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 ..... What was in attic, you ask. His table saw and other shop stuff. ..... Was there a pallet of 2x4's and a pallet of plywood up there too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond-built Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 Met with the client and yes the images that you showed is exactly what he wants with 2 x 10's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkcDesigner Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 the 2x4s and plywood where stored in the garage right by the pull down ladder..... The only attic access at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond-built Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Now knowing what I need 2 x 10 clear span ceiling joist with a strong back how do I draw this in? Could someone help me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_martin Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Once you have the ceiling joists set in place, simply place a general framing member on top of them by setting the correct height, then add another and rotate it. You could, if need be, add a couple CAD lines with a note and detail call out and simply make a detail of the needed connection. It's a fairly painless process though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Morrison Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Is there a good supplier of 26' long 2x10's in the area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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