New Computer Questions


Go to solution Solved by anne_CA,

Recommended Posts

Ok, I was told I needed a new video card and I have to have a laptop. I have several offices I work out of and work out of town. I am relying on Chief and my IT guy to come up with best solution.(See Below) This comes in at $2,900.00 but if I wanted to max out the video card I can only go to 3080. It would be a Intel I9 for extra $1,600.00.   The new 3090 is not available on a 17 inch screen

 

I would appreciate your opinion of if this. Chief has already gave a Ok to it or if anyone think the I9 and 3080-card. Is worth the $1,600.00

 

What Chief did with this release was not right. I had a heads up this was going to happen so it wasn't a surprise to me. I cant imagine the surprise people are having out there.

 

Alienware x17 R1 Gaming Laptop

Processor

11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7 11800H (8-Core, 24MB L3 Cache, up to 4.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology)

Processor Branding

11th Generation Intel® Core™ i7 non-vPro Processor Label

Operating System

Windows 10 Pro English

Video Card

NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3060 6GB GDDR6

LCD

17.3" FHD (1920 x 1080) 165Hz 3ms with ComfortView Plus

Memory

64GB DDR4 XMP 3466MHz

Hard Drive

2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive

Keyboard

Alienware X-Series thin keyboard with per-key AlienFX lighting

Power Supply

Adapter 240W

Wireless

Killer™ Wi-Fi 6E (Pre-certified) AX1675 802.11ax 2x2 Wireless LAN and Bluetooth 5.2

Primary Battery

Link to post
Share on other sites

Looks Ok to me , though I'd look at the price increase for a 3070 or 3070Ti instead as the mobile Cards are not as powerful as there Desktop Versions

due to power Usage and heat etc.

 

M.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I would say yes , thinking in terms of it will hopefully last 3-4 yrs at least so $50 a yr......

 

3070 with 8GB memory?

 

Not sure if the 3060Ti is in laptops yet? it maybe another viable Option if the 3070ti is not.

 

*** Just remember that X12 will work on your current machine and do almost all that X13 will  ( --- no RT-PBR or CLAY )

so $3K may not "need" to be spent right now......

 

Mick.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks K-Bird Yeah but this is business and I always think about the fact that it is inevitable that i will run X13 I should go ahead and get it out the way and spend the money. I should just fork out the $4,900.00 and max out in hope to get to use it 4 years. I have only had this open 4 year but had to rebuild it twice for about $600 a rebuild so I am not to far off. Plus I am impatient.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Thad58 said:

Thanks K-Bird Yeah but this is business and I always think about the fact that it is inevitable that i will run X13 I should go ahead and get it out the way and spend the money. I should just fork out the $4,900.00 and max out in hope to get to use it 4 years. I have only had this open 4 year but had to rebuild it twice for about $600 a rebuild so I am not to far off. Plus I am impatient.

 

 

I understand , and if you have the budget why not :)........

 

I just worry that some are spending on a feature that is not yet mature in Chief ( RT-PBR ) , ie I got a new desktop for the same reason ( 3080 ) and wonder why sometimes.... ( and desktops are more powerful than Laptops....)

 

From Dermot ( Chief) just now :https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/31229-what-video-card-for-x13/?do=findComment&comment=246881

 

Mick.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The only Ti card I would consider is a 3060, definitely not a 3070 or 80 Ti, especially in a laptop. I've not yet seen either of my cards use more than 60% of the video memory. The 3070 and 3080 Ti draw more power/heat, are not well regarded, and offer little performance increase in Chief. (even gamers are avoiding.)

Similarly unless using some other programs an i( won't get you any better performance in X13 (and the 112th gen i( offers little)

Personally I'd stick with 32GB ram as I've never been close to maxing that out and I run a lot of stuff at once. Same goes for the Killer card (now owned by INtel) I disabled that last one I had and won't be bothering again.

OTOH I would look into having the machine tooled in particular getting cooling performance upgraded. I also like to get some sort of minimum backlight bleed on laptops-not perfect but better.

Finally note that each maker may list a particular GPU but the actual power allowed for it varies from brand to brand so a 3070 in one is not the same as a 3070 in another.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm also finding it frustrating that X13 requires me to get a new desktop and/or laptop in order to run. I didn't realize some of the render styles would not work correctly with an inadequate graphics card. My line drawings do not show the cabinet hardware, when I change vector views from color to b&w, the hardware also disappears, though we found a workaround.

 

I had a call this morning with a local custom computer builder after sending him the X13 recommended specs. Apparently it is next to impossible to get the RTX 3080 cards unless you want to pay 2-4x retail because people are buying in large quantity and reselling at ridiculous markup. He sent me a quote for a system using an RTX 3090 because they are only marked up 50% from retail and available. The quote was very high, but I have no idea what a system with these specs should run.

Both he and the CA tech support person suggested I look at ready-made systems by HP, Dell, and Lenovo. I only found one or two desktop systems using the RTX 3080 and most of the reviewers reported system crashes and overheating systems. They had to add extra after-market fans, which voided the warranty. This is what he came up with:

 

 

Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core processor, dual-tower CPU air cooler, X570 motherboard with WiFi and Bluetooth
32GB RAM (upgradeable to 128GB), 500GB NVME SSD (Windows, programs), 1TB NVME SSD (active work)
EVGA RTX 3090 24GB
high-airflow case, 850W 80+ Gold power supply, Windows 10 Pro, full set of upgraded case fans (6)
 
If I wanted to buy this now, the price would be over 6K including NC state tax. 
Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

I'm also finding it frustrating that X13 requires me to get a new desktop and/or laptop in order to run. I didn't realize some of the render styles would not work correctly with an inadequate graphics card. My line drawings do not show the cabinet hardware, when I change vector views from color to b&w, the hardware also disappears, though we found a workaround...


As long as your computer meets our minimum system requirements, you should not need a new computer or graphics card to run X13.  Please see this other post I made that has some more detailed information:  

 

 

Regarding the missing lines for cabinet hardware, I believe that this is the result of a bug in X13.  Upgrading your computer is very unlikely to have any affect on this.  We are currently working on a fix for this and hope to have it available in the next update.  For now, if you turn off color and then find you have some missing lines, they should come back if you use the Rebuild 3D tool.  You should always report these kinds of problems to our technical support team if and when you run into them.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you! I just tried the Rebuild 3D tool and it worked. My original issue with the disappearing hardware was happening with elevations, so the tech support person I originally spoke with had me create a CAD Detail From View as a workaround.  

 

My comment was misleading... I know I can run X13 without the upgrades, and I am doing so. The last update to X13 fixed another rendering issue I was having, which was exported drawings not retaining the color shown in the rendered view.

 

Thank you again. I have to remember to come to this forum more often.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, MarkMc said:

The only Ti card I would consider is a 3060, definitely not a 3070 or 80 Ti, especially in a laptop. I've not yet seen either of my cards use more than 60% of the video memory. The 3070 and 3080 Ti draw more power/heat, are not well regarded, and offer little performance increase in Chief. (even gamers are avoiding.)

Similarly unless using some other programs an i( won't get you any better performance in X13 (and the 112th gen i( offers little)

Personally I'd stick with 32GB ram as I've never been close to maxing that out and I run a lot of stuff at once. Same goes for the Killer card (now owned by INtel) I disabled that last one I had and won't be bothering again.

OTOH I would look into having the machine tooled in particular getting cooling performance upgraded. I also like to get some sort of minimum backlight bleed on laptops-not perfect but better.

Finally note that each maker may list a particular GPU but the actual power allowed for it varies from brand to brand so a 3070 in one is not the same as a 3070 in another.

 

Yes if system is only for Chief 32GB is enough , use the extra money elsewhere or save it

 

Laptops with 3070 or 3080,s are fairly new and I don't follow the segment much now I have my Asus with a 2070Super , So I cannot comment on the overheating Issues Mark is referring too.  The 3060Ti is a good choice I think , just know it will not compete with a 3060Ti Desktop edition due to Laptop Power Limiting.

 

Even my Desktop 3080 is (artificially I believe) power limited but Runs X13 fine , though I am not happy with RT-PBR Views especially in Plans brought forward.

 

Mick

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, anne_CA said:

 

Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core processor, dual-tower CPU air cooler, X570 motherboard with WiFi and Bluetooth
32GB RAM (upgradeable to 128GB), 500GB NVME SSD (Windows, programs), 1TB NVME SSD (active work)
EVGA RTX 3090 24GB
high-airflow case, 850W 80+ Gold power supply, Windows 10 Pro, full set of upgraded case fans (6)
 
If I wanted to buy this now, the price would be over 6K including NC state tax. 

 

Get a 3060Ti , no need for a 3090 for Chief

 

Still sounds like someone is overcharging though....... $6k?

 

Check AVADirect...... it is where MarkMc recently got his new System, and Recommends them.

 

I built my own......

 

M.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Thad58 said:

Mark, Are you running X13? 

Yes for a while now, updated signature. I had also tested it on my older Sager 17" w/ 6700k, 980m w/8GB, 32 ram. Just no real time ray trace.

I ordered the Evoc (for $2500 comparable same now with a 3070) end of summer to use on 13. That was before 3000 cards were avaialble on laptops. Eventually I decided that for the amount of RTRT I need to do a 3000 card was in order. I had that built by AVA beginning of March for 3K; talked with salesman to ensure availability of parts but had decided ahead of time on a 3070. I'm happy. Just helped a client order a somewhat similar system but a Z590, i5 11600K (matches my i7 in use), a different 3070 and slightly lesser MOBO but most of the rest the same for $2600. Either of us could have done comparable Ryzen machines.

13 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

The 3060Ti is a good choice I think

I'd agree with that. If I were getting a lappie today I'd get that or a 3070.

Unlike Mick I'm quite happy with RTRT but think I've worked with it more ?:-)  Still an occasional quirk but overall pleased with it and with both machines.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Solution
34 minutes ago, Kbird1 said:

 

Get a 3060Ti , no need for a 3090 for Chief

 

Still sounds like someone is overcharging though....... $6k?

 

Check AVADirect...... it is where MarkMc recently got his new System, and Recommends them.

 

I built my own......

 

M.

 

The only reason I was considering the 3090 is because the 3080 cards are unavailable unless you want to pay price gougers. The recommended specs called out the RTX 3080 and past experience has shown me that if I don't get the recommended requirements, I have problems with future upgrades. I will have to do some research and see how the 3060Ti compares to the 3080. My desktop is from 2012 and no longer able to support CA so I've been using it on my laptop. If these workarounds can help me until I upgrade my desktop, that's great.

 

Thank you!

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, anne_CA said:

 

The only reason I was considering the 3090 is because the 3080 cards are unavailable unless you want to pay price gougers. The recommended specs called out the RTX 3080 and past experience has shown me that if I don't get the recommended requirements, I have problems with future upgrades. I will have to do some research and see how the 3060Ti compares to the 3080. My desktop is from 2012 and no longer able to support CA so I've been using it on my laptop. If these workarounds can help me until I upgrade my desktop, that's great.

 

Thank you!

 

In the other Thread you are in, Alastair got a new AMD Card for his Older Prebuilt ( your 645 does not have Shader 6)  and JTCapa a 3060Ti

 

I didn't pay double over Retail for my 3080 but I did pay a Large Premium approx 50%...... 3-4 months ago... and I had to buy other parts as well ( a bundle to get it ) ..... the longer you can wait the better but it may take so time to come down still.

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok I just purchased it I hope this is my best option because being a laptop I am stuck with this for IO hope at less 4 years.

 

Alienware x17 R1

11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 11800H (8-Core, 24MB L3 Cache, up to 4.6GHz with Turbo Boost

Windows 10 Pro English

NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 3070 8GB GDDR6

17.3" FHD (1920 x 1080) 165Hz 3ms with ComfortView Plus

64GB DDR4 XMP 3466MHz

4TB (2x 2TB) M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD RAID0

 

$3,900.00

 

Thanks everyone for the input. I have a lot of things I stay up un so computers and hardware are not my thing

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm no computer geek. I need to upgrade my video card like most others here to run X13, & next years X-14. Priority is my PC because I use it for 95% of my design work. I've gone looking and came across a NVIDIA GF3060i. My issue is, I'm not sure if the remainder of my system might not need upgrading as well. I live on a small coastal town with one computer store, which is closed because of...well, you know what it is. So I'm needing some help.

Existing PC

Windows 10 Home

1.0 TB Hard drive

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.30 GHz

RAM: 16.0 GB

Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GT-720

64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

 

I'm most concerned with cooling, as in ensuring the rest of the system doesn't melt down because I upgraded the graphics card. Any of your computer minded folks see an issue?

Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Canuck said:

I'm no computer geek. I need to upgrade my video card like most others here to run X13, & next years X-14. Priority is my PC because I use it for 95% of my design work. I've gone looking and came across a NVIDIA GF3060i. My issue is, I'm not sure if the remainder of my system might not need upgrading as well. I live on a small coastal town with one computer store, which is closed because of...well, you know what it is. So I'm needing some help.

Existing PC

Windows 10 Home

1.0 TB Hard drive

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.30 GHz

RAM: 16.0 GB

Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GT-720

64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

 

I'm most concerned with cooling, as in ensuring the rest of the system doesn't melt down because I upgraded the graphics card. Any of your computer minded folks see an issue?

 

If you don't  NEED the new PBR-RT View you can get a cheaper graphics card and it will essentially be like using X12  , the new Views are the only reason you need an RTX card  ( 2000 or 3000 Series ).

 

But not really as you list doesn't give any specs on the mobo, ram etc etc 

 

but at the moment getting a pre-built is still the most reasonable cost way to get a 3000 series in most cases especially if you are due to get a new system anyway.

 

eg Dell has the Black Friday in July Sale on right now..... in CDN at least :) 

https://deals.dell.com/en-ca/productdetail/9ovl

 

I'd go 32GB ram and a 512GB NVME and 2TB Data drive though.....

 

M.

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
  • Member Statistics

    29829
    Total Members
    9156
    Most Online
    MeganB
    Newest Member
    MeganB
    Joined